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Teenage drinking

The legal drinking age around here is 18, so it is really easy for teens to get it. My parents don't really care a whole lot if I or my sister drink.

At my school, around graduation time the school holds this thing called safe-grad. They take all the kids on busses to an undisclosed location (usually a field in the middle of nowhere and they get drunk, all under the supervision of sober parents and teachers. When the night is over, they hop back on the bus (or stumble as is usually the case) and go home. It works quite well and the police have no problem with it (they kinda like it because there are 400 drunk kids they don't have to worry about doing stupid stuff). The only problem from this is getting insurance...last year they had to use an insurance company from Columbia...even though no accidents have ever happened, Canadian companies (and the US, Mexico...etc.) are too afraid to take it.

That kind of teenage drinking is fine with me...situations other than that...not my cup of tea. Every once is a while though.....



Wow...I went really off topic...haha.
 
I think the key thing we need to break down here isn't kid's resolve to drink, moreover the fact that a lot of anti-alcohol people seem to not look at things rationally and instead prefer to take the extreme view.

Having a drink or two once in a while isn't going to mean that your kid goes out and starts stealing quarries or people or anything. That's not how it happens. Most young people don't go out to get completely off their faces. For me, those that do seem a little stupid. At least their actions are. Personally, from my experience, if you've got to get so blind drunk you don't know what you're doing to enjoy the company of your 'friends', you might want to find some real friends. Me and my friends go to our local pub, have a few drinks (3 or 4), play some pool, then go to someone's house and watch a film. As of yet, I've had no inclination to turn into some drunk, abusive hermit.

I used to be anti-drinking. I just never saw the point in it and thought it was a bad thing. This was mainly based on the experience of someone I knew who was one of the "Man, I got so drunk I didn't know what I was doing" friends of mine. Anyway, I went down to said pub a while back with my brother and some friends and we just had a few drinks and had a good time. I got 'merry' (not properly drunk, but just enough to feel a bit funny and relax a bit more), and that was all. I didn't feel the need to drink the bar out of business, simply because I didn't need to. Now, when we go out, I'll have a few whiskey and cokes and maybe some vodka-based drink, just enough to get a little drunk. I usually find I just generally have a bit more fun like this. That's not to say I don't have fun otherwise, but as someone said "It just fits". Not to mention I get awesome at pool ;)

With regards to "If you lower the legal drinking limit there'll be far more drink driving" - it doesn't happen. The drinking limit here is 18, and NO-ONE in my age-group (17-19) would even think of drinking and driving, and if they did they'd probably get stopped by some of their friends. In reality, it's older people who seem to do it most. The majority of my extended family are police, and they have many tales to tell of the "drunk old farmers" driving home after a night on the tiles. One drove over three huge piles of gravel and dirt on the side of the road by some roadworks simply because he didn't know they were there. My uncle got him out of his car and the man fell over because he simply couldn't stand up. He was 47, so there's not a correlation at all of age vs. maturity.

By the way, just to put it in perspective, I've just turned 17 (December 29th). My parents know, and don't hugely mind (although my Mum doesn't dig the taxi service she provides me with :P). My Dad is one of the higher-ranking policemen in our local station, and he knows that I'm not going to 'drink to excess', and also that the majority won't. We only have a population of around 7,500 people in a 5 mile radius, and the younger under-age drinkers there who are going to go out solely to not know what they're doing are well known, as are their haunts, and typically these people are stopped. Also, the pub staff at our local pub know that the majority of our group are underage*, but they know we aren't going to go and get drunk. If they think we will they usually politely remind us to stop.

A point someone here made: "If, in America, you're allowed to drive a car on the road when you're 16, and are therefore deemed safe enough to juggle other people's lives, why can't you aim your own life and choose to drink or not until you're 21?" It seems a fairly valid point. Speaking in numbers terms, I'd imagine more people have died as a result of car-related accidents than people dying from alcohol abuse (in the 16-21 age range, and I suppose in general). Obviously alcohol related accidents like falling over, etc. are going to be higher, but I mean serious stuff. If you're in a car doing 60 and you hit another car, it's not the same as stumbling into another member of the public.

I don't agree with "If you let your children drink you're a bad parent." It's not like that at all. In fact, personally, I'd say if you kept a tight leash on your children and stunted their growth into their true potential personality that would be worse. It's the same as owning a pet - if you have a cat and keep it shut in one room then it's not going to grow up "normal", whereas if you let it go outside and explore it'll understand the world better. That analogy is weaker than a new born baby, but it serves my point - these are things your children will experience. In the same way as you wouldn't just let your kid go out and drive on the open road without lessons, how can there be harm in letting them try alcohol? I know it's breaking the law, but riding on the pavement (side-walk, whatever :p) on a bike is against the law and most parents promote that.

Anyway, it's 1am. I really should be in bed...

School tomorrow, dammit.

Mark.

*At least, I think they do...
 
Eric Cioe said:
"They're going to do it anyway, so they might as well do it someplace safe." My thought is- if they're going to do it at all (underage, anyway), haven't you failed as a parent?

There are some things a parent can't control. The sooner you realize that, the better.

Do you really think that kids are going to wait until their 21st birthday to drink alcohol....
 
Home-made said:
I think the key thing we need to break down here isn't kid's resolve to drink, moreover the fact that a lot of anti-alcohol people seem to not look at things rationally and instead prefer to take the extreme view.


This is what ive wanted to say this entire thread, just never knew how. Most anti-alcohol/drug people only look at the worst of it and build on that. They don't care about the people that do it responsibly, its all about the people that abuse it!
 
The majority of the high school students I know that drink do it to get blasted. Granted, there are some people I know who drink from time to, a couple of beers, but I think it's in teens' nature to do it until they puke. If they are responsible about it, fine, but most I know are not.
 
Home-made said:
Most young people don't go out to get completely off their faces.
Maybe where you live, but in my experience, almost all of them do.

Speaking in numbers terms, I'd imagine more people have died as a result of car-related accidents than people dying from alcohol abuse (in the 16-21 age range, and I suppose in general).
Absolutely, but how do you think a lot, if not most, of those accidents occur?
 
i hear ya eric. as a drug tobbacco and alcohol free teen i cant believe the things that as you said, have become "the norm"

my town is awful. the "good" kids get drunk and screw around with everyone on friday and saturday nights, and go to church sunday morning, and the "bad" ones are so deep into drugs and such that it seems theres no hope for most of them. albeit, there isnt really anything to do here (small town), i understand they want something to do, but i find it apalling that 90% of the people (all ages) here accept and practice these crude behaviors. i really hate this place and cant wait to get out. :hmm:

also, some of my friends have fallen into the trap as well. i have tried to talk sense into them to no avail, so now i see them at school or around town, but i dont hang out with them. luckily there is still a handfull of decent people here (we all hang out at a coffee shop) to make this place habitable for the moment.
 
well, i know what Eric means. people at my school are the same way. They are bragging about how much they drank last saturday or whatever. If you ask me, drinking alcohol purely for the ability to pass out and wet yourselves (as seems to be the current tradition at my school) is pretty stupid. I am 18. My mom will allow me to have a drink or two after dinner. am i underage? yes. am i drinking irresponsibly? NO.
I also don't think that parents have failed as parents if they let their kids and their friends drink in their house, as long as they don't go overboard, although thats what seems to happen a lot here in Wisconsin.
personally, i think drinking age laws are just another American tradition of passing the blame. In my opinion, if someone gets wasetd at 15, they'll get wasted at 18 and then at 20, and then at 24 and so on. I think the drinking problem is with the person, and not the age group. drunk driving happens at ages after 21, but they are not going to raise the age to 42, they can't. they can't do another prohibition, because they'll get the same results. I think the problem lies within the parents, not for allowing their kids to drink, but in the fact that they don't teach their kids how to drink safely. I don't think that kids at age 12 understand that their parents A) usually don't drink as much as they appear to, and B) 12 year olds probably don't realize that an adult body, say 230 lbs, can hold their alcohol a little better than a 130 lb 12 year old kid.
Just my thought,
Charlie
 
Eric Cioe said:
The majority of the high school students I know that drink do it to get blasted. Granted, there are some people I know who drink from time to, a couple of beers, but I think it's in teens' nature to do it until they puke. If they are responsible about it, fine, but most I know are not.



How old are these kids you are talking about? Teens under 18 usually don't use any control and drink just to get blasted. Its new and taboo for them and they abuse it. I admit it, I used to do this when I was 15-16 years old too. I outgrew it though and now drink once or twice a week, not even to get drunk (well most of the time).
 
I've been reading these posts and have come to realize that what is going on with teens today is that same as what I experienced when I was a teen (back in the early 80's).

I commend all of you who choose to be alcohol, drug and tobacco free and standing up to the rest of society that accepts the use and abuse of these substances as the norm. It's tough to have standards when the rest of the world is seemingly falling apart at the seams.

Personally, I have indulged (and often overindulged) in all of the aforementioned vices on many many occasions and looking back on it, I chose to partake simply to be accepted and respected by my chosen peer group - no more, no less. In retrospect, most of these decisions were piss poor with no regard to my health, self respect or anything else - but, hey man, I was COOL!

These days, most of my friends and I have matured to the point that it matters not whether you drink, don't drink or get high, don't get high or whatever. Live and let live.

As far as being COOL is concerned, don't worry - if you ARE COOL, you'll grow out of it. If you're NOT COOL, you'll grow out of it too. In 10 years no one will remember if you went out and got wasted on the weekend or stayed in to practice for a band recital or study for that chem mid-term.

That said, I am not averse to having a few beers with the boys or some wine at dinner and rather enjoy the feeling of having a bit of a glow on, but my reasons are not to be cool, but to relax and let loose a bit....

DD
 
I generally don't drink that often, but I do enjoy the green stuff every now and then (but never cigs, I don't like them). My whole take on the drinking age is this: If you can go to a foreign country and die 'for your country' at the age of 18, then why can't you take a drink of alcohol until 21? This arguement seems valid enough, and 18 seems like a fair age, but hey, I rarely see the laws enforced around here anyway, so I don't complain a whole lot.