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Test driving a Jaguar.

Big Hoss

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Sep 5, 2014
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So I am not sure what happened to my post about this from last night. I guess I must not have submitted it or something.. But I digress...

Yesterday I went to pick up my Ibanez SR500 from the guitar shop, I was having the setup redone. After all the years sitting in a closet, with humidity changes etc... the setup was just messed up. And I found there were some wiring mistakes made when the EMGs were put in, and it never quite sounded right.

I got there as the luthier was putting on the final touches, so I had a few mintues to blow in the showroom (BAD IDEA!). So naturally I headed over to the electric basses. And they had a fair selection. Mostly Fenders, Squiers, a few Ibanezes (is that the plural of Ibanez?), and one or two Jacksons and similar type basses.

So I figured I would see if they had any PJ Precision basses in stock, they didn't. SO I noodled around with a Squier Jazz Bass for a few minutes. I can see how folks could like that slim neck, but it's not for me and my sausage fingers... Down the row I went when I saw something that just kept grabbing my eye. P/J style pickups, Precision neck, but a distinctly different cutaway body shape...

My first laid eyes on a Fender / Squier Jaguar bass in person. They had them in both 4 and 5 string.

So I picked up the first one, not noticing the extra string, I usually play 4 string, plugged it in to the demo amp, and hit the low B.... then looked at the neck / fretboard, yeah I am slow like that sometimes... Okay a 5 stringer, I can hang... Got my bearings on it, and started playing... Setup on this thing was to die for, action wasn't too high, or too low, no fret buzz even with my clumsy fretting, string spacing was spot on, just like I expect out of a P bass. Everything was like a P bass, except that body shape.. No lower horn of the body to get in the way of fretting way down low (and there are a few times I have needed to).

So anyway, here is the quick rundown of the good, and the bad...

The good. Squier / Fender P bass / Vintage modified P bass neck. Overall pretty good, nicely finished rosewood fretboard, well finished frets. String spacing was spot on.
Action was dead on for me.
Tonal variation from P to J and mix of the two pickups was awesome. Added kick from active electronics helped it along.
Beautiful translucent red finish to the body.
Body shape reduces / eliminates the parts of the traditional P bass design that, well interfere with my playing. The upper corner of the body is all but trimmed away, and as a bonus the overall styling of the bass is unique in its look. Not as pointy and edgy as the Flying Vee types, but very cool in its own style.

The adequate.
Tuners were there, and held tune fine. I have never been a super big fan of Fenders open gear tuner system. It works, just not my fave.
The finish on the back of the neck isn't bad, but it is far from silky smooth. This thing could use a few skilled minutes of 600, 800, then 1200 grit sandpaper to polish it down... Both of my Ibanezes are silky smooth on the back of the neck, this is smooth, ish. Far from silky, but far from being a problem playability wise. I would bet that given sufficient wear from working the neck, it would easily wear smooth anyway...
The P/J pickup configuration, with active electronics is far above and away from the typical Squier PJ setup I am used to, better tone range, but still, a bit tinny / bright for my taste. Might have been the demo amp (Rumble 25 I think it was...). I would have to plug it into something a bit beefier to be sure...
The simple, but effective Chrome Bridge. It anchors the back of the strings well, allows for good height adjustment, but I just don't care for this type of bridge. HOWEVER, at this price point, it is a fantastic unit!

Overall.
I want to go back, and get access to a beefier test amp to try this out again. At the price tag ($249.99), if it sounds as good as I think it would through a better amp, I think I will end up with this, without any mods, instead of a PJ modded... I suspect my case of GAS just spun from a PJ to a Jaguar...
 
I was also in the market for an axe to use in my new blues project, and I was looking at the 5-string Squier P-bass. I too, had a chance to check out the Jag, and I also fell in love with it. For the price, I thought it was a great playing and sounding bass.

I set it up with some Roto 88 tapewounds, and the tone is fantastic. Lots of thump, but it also has a nice edge to cut through two guitars in the mix, especially with a little more bridge pickup blended in.

I am upgrading to Hipshot licensed tuners and a Hipshot vintage bridge, but I will probably leave the electronics alone. I would, however, like to maybe add a passive option. As built, these basses don't have a passive mode. It's an incredibly versatile instrument.
 
Yeah, the active electronics are great, but sometimes I just don't want that extra oomph.

I would love to try this bass out with different strings, I am guessing tapes vs rounds vs flats would all have their own sound... I like rounds on the SR500, I like flats on my SR480... Never tried tapewound strings... Heard good things about them though...
 
Ibanezes (is that the plural of Ibanez?)
I believe it's Ibani.


The good: Squier / Fender P bass / Vintage modified P bass neck. String spacing was spot on.
If I'm not mistaken, the Jaguar basses have Jazz Bass necks w/ Jazz bass string spacing. I believe this holds true for both the Fender and Squier Jaguars. Perhaps your sausage fingers are more agile than you give them credit for?

I, like you, played one of these for a while at a music store while I was wasting some time and came away from it thinking it felt just like a Jazz in both the way it balanced and the way the neck felt. To be fair, I was playing a four, so maybe the fivers have a wider neck, but I kinda figure if the four uses a Jazz profile (1.5" nut), the fiver would use the Jazz V profile. I can't say for sure.

I ended up playing it because a beginner was torn between that and a Jazz and asked me to play them both for him so he could hear the difference while played by someone who knew how to play (he couldn't find anyone, so he had to settle for me ;) ). I ended up suggesting he buy the Jag. I like Jazzes (Jazzi?) a lot and have owned many, but that Jag was very nice and I thought the playing comfort and versatility would suit a beginner very well and take him all the way up to gigging. A really nice axe; he ended up buying it.
 
Just picked up a VM Jaguar myself. I plan on replacing the nut and putting an SPB-3 and an SJB-2 in it. Also will replace the bridge and tuners with Hipshot hardware. Probably leave the electronics alone for now. I am not sure if they would even need modded at this point. Great bass for the price.
 
... If I'm not mistaken, the Jaguar basses have Jazz Bass necks w/ Jazz bass string spacing. I believe this holds true for both the Fender and Squier Jaguars. Perhaps your sausage fingers are more agile than you give them credit for?

I, like you, played one of these for a while at a music store while I was wasting some time and came away from it thinking it felt just like a Jazz in both the way it balanced and the way the neck felt. To be fair, I was playing a four, so maybe the fivers have a wider neck, but I kinda figure if the four uses a Jazz profile (1.5" nut), the fiver would use the Jazz V profile. I can't say for sure.

I ended up playing it because a beginner was torn between that and a Jazz and asked me to play them both for him so he could hear the difference while played by someone who knew how to play (he couldn't find anyone, so he had to settle for me ;) ). I ended up suggesting he buy the Jag. I like Jazzes (Jazzi?) a lot and have owned many, but that Jag was very nice and I thought the playing comfort and versatility would suit a beginner very well and take him all the way up to gigging. A really nice axe; he ended up buying it.

Looking at the specs, I see the neck on the Jag and the Jazz... I have no clue why the Jazz neck was so much harder to navigate than the Jaguar...
I played the Ibani again tonight one right after another. There is a pretty big difference between how the two play, and how easy the neck is to play although they are both Ibanez SR necks...

Must be the setup.
 
My 2¢... I had a 5 string Jag Vintaged Modified Special from Squire for about 6 months. LOOOOOVED IT! My main axe previous was a Fender (american) P Bass Deluxe Special. Still love that bass, but I took that Jag to every gig I played (mostly jazz, blues, and classic rock - I'm not THAT old - thats just what pays in the area I live). I can't recommend the workmanship or sound quality higher for the $250 I payed for it on zzounds. Why did I get rid of it you ask? To make room for this guy :)
 

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Looking at the specs, I see the neck on the Jag and the Jazz... I have no clue why the Jazz neck was so much harder to navigate than the Jaguar...
I played the Ibani again tonight one right after another. There is a pretty big difference between how the two play, and how easy the neck is to play although they are both Ibanez SR necks...

Must be the setup.
SR series Ibani have very narrow necks as well. It seems to me that you're much more sensitive to setup issues than you are to narrow necks.
 
I only mention it because I'm pretty un-fond of narrow necks myself. I love the way Jazz Basses look and the way they sound, but I've never cared for the necks. I just deal with them because I like everything else about them (one of my Jazzi has a P-bass style neck for this reason, and one - a Noel Redding model - has an unusually wide neck for a Jazz). All my other basses (bassi?) have wide necks and I've steered away from Ibanez basses made after the early '80s because they always felt too narrow to me. Great basses, but not for me.
 
Well, I just rechecked, the Ibanez SR480 and SR500 have a 1.5" nut with, which is the same as the Fender Jazz and Jaguar. I have no problems playing the Ibanez basses, or the Jaguar, but for some unkown reason, the Squier James Johnston Signature Jazz Bass just, well... I just couldn't navigate the fretboard to save m life...

The Jazz neck somehow LOOKS thinner, but the tape measure does not lie... It is the same width...

The only thing I can chalk it up to is bad setup on the Jazz. The SR480 and SR500 are for all intents and purposes, the same playing characteristics as far as bass guitars go. Necks are of same dimensions, bodies same dimensions, pickups, bridges, nuts etc... Yet the SR500 is easier for me to play. 2 key factors between the two however.

#1. The SR500 has the new, XL strap, putting the bass where I need it.
#2. The SR500 just got back from the guitar shop, with a fresh setup on it...

I played the Jaguar with the strap in question attached to it. The Jazz I tried with no strap at all, just in my lap... I know, bad idea...

I am going to have to go back and play that Jazz again...
 
Well, I just rechecked, the Ibanez SR480 and SR500 have a 1.5" nut with, which is the same as the Fender Jazz and Jaguar. I have no problems playing the Ibanez basses, or the Jaguar, but for some unkown reason, the Squier James Johnston Signature Jazz Bass just, well... I just couldn't navigate the fretboard to save m life...

The Jazz neck somehow LOOKS thinner, but the tape measure does not lie... It is the same width...

The only thing I can chalk it up to is bad setup on the Jazz. The SR480 and SR500 are for all intents and purposes, the same playing characteristics as far as bass guitars go. Necks are of same dimensions, bodies same dimensions, pickups, bridges, nuts etc... Yet the SR500 is easier for me to play. 2 key factors between the two however.

#1. The SR500 has the new, XL strap, putting the bass where I need it.
#2. The SR500 just got back from the guitar shop, with a fresh setup on it...

I played the Jaguar with the strap in question attached to it. The Jazz I tried with no strap at all, just in my lap... I know, bad idea...

I am going to have to go back and play that Jazz again...
Uh, oh... now he's on a mission! ;)