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That Dubstep Wobbbbbbbbble.

#42
Yeah... see you guys are talking about a swell or constant back and forth a la mid fi pitch pirate.

I just want to detune 15cents.

Take your bass and play it in tune. Now turn the E string ever so slightly. Now play a C on your A & E string. Now Play A on your A & E string.

Hear how the wobble/ocsillations are faster on the C than on the A?
 
#43
fightthepower said:
I I think the OP is confused about the reason for detuning- As I understand it(i could be wrong though..), when utilizing detuning in a multi-oscillator setup for dubstep, you're detuning an even number of the oscillators (and leaving one in tune) with half in the negative cents, and the other half tuned + and equal amount-- this process keeps the whole thing in tune while taking up a lot of sonic space-- especially important in a genre derived of primarily drums and bass. The wobble is all filter cutoff modulation.
You are correct detuneing is mostly for increasing the sonic space of the bass line. With dual detuned occilators played together (square and saw) it also creates a a slight difference in the way the freq sounds meaning slight a wobble effect in itself as the wave pulse at slightly diffrent rates. It also makes the filtering sound more drastic because there is more frequnecy density to filter.

Floridabwoy if you are using this for a live application I would focus on the filter not detuneing at this point at least. If you are using it for production I would use a soft synth to get excactly what you want.
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#44
If you had a Link Removed Guitar to MIDI converter, could you use that MIDI signal to take care of all your other parameters for under 500 dollars or so. It just seems to me that you could get your pitch specific parameters with a little MIDI expertise and proper software/ hardware.

But I couldn't do anything with MIDI if I wanted to so y'all will have to tell me if this idea is worthless.
 
#45
Floridabwoy said:
Yeah... see you guys are talking about a swell or constant back and forth a la mid fi pitch pirate.

I just want to detune 15cents.

Take your bass and play it in tune. Now turn the E string ever so slightly. Now play a C on your A & E string. Now Play A on your A & E string.

Hear how the wobble/ocsillations are faster on the C than on the A?
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Only one person really mentioned that-- the rest are saying that you can't just detune with a simple analog pedal a set amount-- the best you are going to do.. is a chorus or some other pitch modulation. I really wish it were that easy. The big POG and the new POG2 have some detune capabilities, but I like the HOG too much to downsize to the POG, and the POG2 is expensive and doesn't have the exp functions I love so much about the HOG.. so that one is out as well..

The wobble you say you're looking for and like in these two posts below--- this is the wobble you want right?


Floridabwoy said:



These clips aren't exactly in the context you're looking, but they should give you an idea of what those pedals are capable and in what price range according to the gear you already have.

Rnilson also posted some clips recently, and iirc one of them was using Octave-fuzz-lowpassfilter-mp201 and changing the subdivisions/wobble.
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#46
fightthepower said:
This is a clip I made the first night I used the MP201 midi sync'd with the Moog LPF, HOG and glissando mode for the suboctave, a gated fuzz, and chorus at the end of the chain. It was just random noodling without much thought put into, and Im using a ramp lfo, but I changed the subdivision a few times in the clip so you can get a rough idea of what it sounds like-- though this is an expensive option.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7578121
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As always good stuff FTP!
I like the hog very cool.

The clip to which you refered can be found here:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=951305

It is the one called Moving LFO/ Dub Step
 
#49
fightthepower said:
Only one person really mentioned that-- the rest are saying that you can't just detune with a simple analog pedal a set amount--
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But of course you can (unless you are, for some reason, being extremely strict about it being an analog pedal). My Boss PS-2 has a manual shift mode, turn the knob a little bit, and your note goes slightly out of tune. Now of course, it sounds terrible, as your note is, in fact, just out of tune. But if that's the sound you want, then there it is.

Whammy pedal could also do this.


To be fair I'm only really responding to the 'detuning' issue - I haven't listened for the dubstep wobble (I think there are two distinct sounds being discussed in this thread).
 
#50
Right, i'll use an act called Substep Infrabass as an example, because i'm loving there stuff of late! :D

So, in this video:


So, i suppose the conclusion of this is, it can probably be done to the effect of the first tracks displayed. However, even then it wouldn't be without its problems. I guess the primary one being budget; you'd need a fair few pedals to nail something akin to that sound.

The last track is still dubstep, but it presents the more common sound that you get on the scene now, which i fear would is just too complex and intense for a bass guitar to do it justice.
 
#51
I know that this is blasphemy to suggest this but if you dig the SYB-5 but are put off by the price maybe it is worth experimenting with the Behringer knockoff?

Pardon my ignorance on the subject, especially since I know that it's pretty much a standardized term these days but when you say "wobble" are you referring to the rising filter *bwwwwwwwoooooomp* sound or to the oscillating *wubwubwubwubwubwubwub* sound? I've been assuming the latter whenever I've heard the term before.

I dunno if a rack solution is appealing to you but if that's the case I believe the old Electrix filter units are still pretty cheap on the Ebay/Craig's markets these days (although I confess that I haven't actually checked recently) and on the off chance that you already have a rack setup and are controlling it with a midi pedal the Filter Factory unit is beat and tap syncable, has a momentary switch for its LFO as well as a switch to switch up the beat divisions all of which is controllable by a midi pedal. I'm not sure if it can pull off the sounds you are looking for though. I have one but haven't busted it out in a long time. I'll try it out and see how close I can get to that sound when I get the chance.

The Filter Factory also has a little sister, the Filter Queen, which I also have one of. It is much more limited in what it can do and has no midi but it might beable to switch up using standard footswitches. I'll try and experiment with that as well.
 
#52
TheButler said:
So, i suppose the conclusion of this is, it can probably be done to the effect of the first tracks displayed. However, even then it wouldn't be without its problems. I guess the primary one being budget; you'd need a fair few pedals to nail something akin to that sound.

The last track is still dubstep, but it presents the more common sound that you get on the scene now, which i fear would is just too complex and intense for a bass guitar to do it justice.
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I am probably gonna get shot for posting this, but effects will never be able to compare to slick studio production. Take Noisia for example. Your never gonna get that sound with a real instrument in real time. They spend months on one track.
Example:



Sorry it's not gonna happen.

I personally use pedals to create my own sounds, I just use inspiration from groups like Noisia. I am also after a different musical experience when I play my bass verses do production.

So I guess in short, when it comes to DnB Dub Step or other production based generes perfection is hours staring at a computer screen. In the ballpark is for effects and bass.
 
#53
megadan said:
But of course you can (unless you are, for some reason, being extremely strict about it being an analog pedal). My Boss PS-2 has a manual shift mode, turn the knob a little bit, and your note goes slightly out of tune. Now of course, it sounds terrible, as your note is, in fact, just out of tune. But if that's the sound you want, then there it is.

Whammy pedal could also do this.


To be fair I'm only really responding to the 'detuning' issue - I haven't listened for the dubstep wobble (I think there are two distinct sounds being discussed in this thread).
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Yes this is true, but on the first page (post #4) the OP said the Boss PS's and Whammy wasn't what he was looking for, and later that the POG/POG2 are out of his price range. He was trying to find, or find a way to make a simple detuning pedal out of a few 'capacitors/resistors or a potentiometer'.

rnilson said:
I am probably gonna get shot for posting this, but effects will never be able to compare to slick studio production. Take Noisia for example. Your never gonna get that sound with a real instrument in real time. They spend months on one track.
Example:



Sorry it's not gonna happen.

I personally use pedals to create my own sounds, I just use inspiration from groups like Noisia. I am also after a different musical experience when I play my bass verses do production.

So I guess in short, when it comes to DnB Dub Step or other production based generes perfection is hours staring at a computer screen. In the ballpark is for effects and bass.
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Yeah Im right there with you. Im not worried about being unable to recreate the 'sounds most common in the scene today'..a lot of the native instruments stuff coming out has killer modulations, but the same tin can crap under it and sounds the same... Im not making 'dubstep' in particular anyway. A lot of it is influenced by dubstep and a lot of other stuff, but Im doing my own thing, and am happy to be able to get many of those tones with a bass guitar, even if I can't have them all. That doesn't do anything for the OP, just sayin..

So you want to play dubstep live with instruments? If you have some time and money you can do it- the tones you can get sound good. Being in the ballpark, doing it with instruments, and making good music, makes up for any of the things you can't do without a computer, in my opinion. ymmv!

If you want to be on the cutting edge of 'the scene', you should be in the lab producing or online buying the newest tracks for your computer/dj set.



rnil- That clip you posted a few posts back was the one I was referring to- good stuff :cool:
 
#54
CosmoReverb said:
I know that this is blasphemy to suggest this but if you dig the SYB-5 but are put off by the price maybe it is worth experimenting with the Behringer knockoff?

Pardon my ignorance on the subject, especially since I know that it's pretty much a standardized term these days but when you say "wobble" are you referring to the rising filter *bwwwwwwwoooooomp* sound or to the oscillating *wubwubwubwubwubwubwub* sound? I've been assuming the latter whenever I've heard the term before.

I dunno if a rack solution is appealing to you but if that's the case I believe the old Electrix filter units are still pretty cheap on the Ebay/Craig's markets these days (although I confess that I haven't actually checked recently) and on the off chance that you already have a rack setup and are controlling it with a midi pedal the Filter Factory unit is beat and tap syncable, has a momentary switch for its LFO as well as a switch to switch up the beat divisions all of which is controllable by a midi pedal. I'm not sure if it can pull off the sounds you are looking for though. I have one but haven't busted it out in a long time. I'll try it out and see how close I can get to that sound when I get the chance.

The Filter Factory also has a little sister, the Filter Queen, which I also have one of. It is much more limited in what it can do and has no midi but it might beable to switch up using standard footswitches. I'll try and experiment with that as well.
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these LFO-synced devices are a good idea
 
#56
i got interested in making this sound recently on my bass. so i rearranged some pedals.


made very similar sounds to the wobwobwob bass by using:

stingray bass>cool cat fuzz>digitech synthwah>fx25b>ebs octave>amp


seems though that a passive bass might do even better. the synthwah is set to #7. i want to try again when i get a tremolessence.
 
#58
i threw it in there to recover low end if i could. honestly after the fuzz and the digisynth you can't really tell if its tracking bad or not.

i tried it earlier, but then it went wrongwrongwrong instead of wobwobwob.

reproducing the subs is what i am lacking mostly.
 
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#60
^Agreed, my future pedalboard goals are to have a setup similar to his, but with a few different pedals.

Currently I'm broke as a joke and in the hole, so I'm making do with what I have.

When I was jamming with my drummer yesterday, we started talking about drum and bass and dubstep so I broke out my three effects (DOD FX25, Boss SYB-5, and a borrowed Danelectro Fab Metal Distortion).

I found the combo that worked best was SYB -> Dist. -> FX25. Although by itself the SYB tends to sound weak in a band context, with the whole pedalboard it sounded pretty thick and meaty.

On setting six, I was getting a decent dubstep wobble, but I don't have and exp pedal so its limited. On setting 9 or 10 I was getting a reallllly cool reese bass sound, so I set the FX 25 so that it would close on longer sustained notes or quiet notes and it sounded amazing.

The cost of the three pedals would be around 130-160 if your good at finding deals, so its a very cost effective way to get into DNB/ Dubstep.

My next pedals will be the OC-2 and the Moog LPF, and then skies the limit :P
 

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