Other than the voice of the singer, not even a little bit. Cedric is the same guy so he has the same voice, but he's also come a long way as a singer and doesnt scream/yell at all with TMV.StupidMatt said:
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The anti-Mars Volta thread.
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Hands down, Deloused is the BEST CD i have bought this year.
I have seen them 3 times since and have never regretted getting that album. I cant believe there is so much hate for them here...
All the people who hate volta should go listen to lame ass sparta.
I have seen them 3 times since and have never regretted getting that album. I cant believe there is so much hate for them here...
All the people who hate volta should go listen to lame ass sparta.
I enjoy all three bands: ATDI, Sparta, TMV. ATDI and TMV are about the weirdest progressive-punk rock music as I can stand. Course then I really dislike most bands classified as Punk.
One band that has a (somewhat tenative) connection with ATDI but doesn't resemble them in sound is Crime in Choir. It features Kenny Hopper on bass (founding member of ATDI). It also has the drummer from Hella in it (incredible drummer! Very skilled, but tasteful). It sort of has a mathy post-rock instrumental vibe going for it.
I'm the only person I know that likse this album.In fact I love it.Incredible grooving at times.And the singer is totally different to Plant in my opinion
I decided long ago to hate this band because all of the ignorrant people who like everything because someone else tells them to was saying it was the best band in the world. So....I didn't listen to the band for months but when i finally did I was like whooooooooooaaaaaaaa, this is interesting. Maybe not my favorite band ever but definately one of the most memorable. Also the singer is just amazing reminds me of a young Geddy Lee
Ryan Berry said:
That was my concern with the same singer. He doesn't scream/yell... that's cool. The emo/screamo yelling thing just makes me... hate emo/screamo. I'll have to check them out.
I've listened to every CD from Mars Volta couse my bandmates like them alot. At first I thought They were quite cool coz of all the effects, but after hearing all their stuuf, I didn'T like them any more, they realy anoy me. Like if im in a car and Mars Volta is turned up realy loud and I'm tired I actualy feel sick, and have to stop the CD.
I our Drummer is a big fan and was at a concert and even he had to step outside for a while during the concert coz it was too much.
It's camparable with listning to three or four of your favorete bands at once, it's just too much.
I normaly like that kind of stuff, and I was supprised that I didn't like Mars Volta
I'm not saing they're bad, coz they're quite the opposite, It's just not for me.
I our Drummer is a big fan and was at a concert and even he had to step outside for a while during the concert coz it was too much.
It's camparable with listning to three or four of your favorete bands at once, it's just too much.
I normaly like that kind of stuff, and I was supprised that I didn't like Mars Volta
I'm not saing they're bad, coz they're quite the opposite, It's just not for me.
Having only now heard TMV more than 30 seconds at a time (always catching the tail end of a tune on XM radio), I have heard Televators and only one other song in entirety. I am blown away by, dare I say it, originality. Each little component maybe not that original - the prog-style structure or lack thereof, the hyper-emo vocal, et cetera - but I just feel it comes together to be more than the sum of its parts. Good stuff. Stuff that we need to help music get away from Suck 182 and all the Creed-alikes.
I'm biased toward the ignorant, I'm glad to say, in that I never heard the hype, never had any previous notion of TMV because I'd never heard the "parent" bands at all, etc...
For both those who heard it and loved it, and those that heard it and hated it, thank you guys for not being the great american sheep-public (who either loved or hated it before even listening to it, as per usual...)
I'm biased toward the ignorant, I'm glad to say, in that I never heard the hype, never had any previous notion of TMV because I'd never heard the "parent" bands at all, etc...
For both those who heard it and loved it, and those that heard it and hated it, thank you guys for not being the great american sheep-public (who either loved or hated it before even listening to it, as per usual...)
I know you've all been desperately waiting for my opinion, so here it is:
Wow... amazing! This is hands down one of the best newer bands. They sounds like if Dillinger Escape Plan and Yes had a baby and they listened to punk. I hate how Dilinger is too over the top, and I can only take them sometimes, they are slightly more watered down and with a great singer.
That's right, I like the singer... isn't he considered emo? That's what shocked me, I thought I was going to have to look past the singer, he's one of my favorite parts. The fact that he can find beautiful soaring melodies amongst musical chaos (in a sense) is rather impressive. (That's what gives me the Yes vibe I think).
My only complaint is the drummer. Definatly the weakest link, I mean, the drums are OK, but with a great drummer, these guys could be gods. Viva Emo Afros!
Wow... amazing! This is hands down one of the best newer bands. They sounds like if Dillinger Escape Plan and Yes had a baby and they listened to punk. I hate how Dilinger is too over the top, and I can only take them sometimes, they are slightly more watered down and with a great singer.
That's right, I like the singer... isn't he considered emo? That's what shocked me, I thought I was going to have to look past the singer, he's one of my favorite parts. The fact that he can find beautiful soaring melodies amongst musical chaos (in a sense) is rather impressive. (That's what gives me the Yes vibe I think).
My only complaint is the drummer. Definatly the weakest link, I mean, the drums are OK, but with a great drummer, these guys could be gods. Viva Emo Afros!
IMO(because apparently it isn't self evident that all we have here are our opinions):
De-Loused is one of the best albums released in the last 20 years. The artistic concept alone could carry the album even if the music sucked. However, it's the most energetic music I've ever heard(Rick Rubin's best production since The Cult's Electric if you ask me). To me it makes the fastest heaviest metal band sound plodding and lame.
Rather than rehash the crappiest parts of the seventies like all of the 90s grunge bands did(once again my opinion), instead they draw their influences from the coolest aspects. Doors-ish down tempo grooves and high energy latin percussive parts ala-Santana, Robert Plant inspired shrieking and proggy tempo changes everywhere...all my favorite things about the 70s...yet somehow TMV remains for the most part, a punk band. I also have no idea where the "no hooks" thing came from because I find myself getting those songs stuck in my head all of the time, and my girlfriend can hum 2 or 3 notes of a TMV song and I can instantly recognize it.
The coolest thing to me about TMV though is their sense of what harmony accompanies what melody...it is one thing to write dissonance-based, questionably musical "math rock" ala Voivod and Meshuggah...it is another to use those dissonant chord changes and wring from them a sense of melodic direction that is completely musical in nature.
And once again, the lyrical concept and story behind the album is pure art, presented in a way that manages to come across with no pretension at all.
I personally feel you have to be in the right frame of mind to "get" De-Loused. Listen to it when you have time to digest the entire album beginning to end and look up an explanation of the album concept on the internet before you do.
Personally I had the album for 3 months and thought it was good, but not amazing. Then I listened to it on headphones one night before bed and it just all slid into place just how brilliant an album it is.
YMMV
De-Loused is one of the best albums released in the last 20 years. The artistic concept alone could carry the album even if the music sucked. However, it's the most energetic music I've ever heard(Rick Rubin's best production since The Cult's Electric if you ask me). To me it makes the fastest heaviest metal band sound plodding and lame.
Rather than rehash the crappiest parts of the seventies like all of the 90s grunge bands did(once again my opinion), instead they draw their influences from the coolest aspects. Doors-ish down tempo grooves and high energy latin percussive parts ala-Santana, Robert Plant inspired shrieking and proggy tempo changes everywhere...all my favorite things about the 70s...yet somehow TMV remains for the most part, a punk band. I also have no idea where the "no hooks" thing came from because I find myself getting those songs stuck in my head all of the time, and my girlfriend can hum 2 or 3 notes of a TMV song and I can instantly recognize it.
The coolest thing to me about TMV though is their sense of what harmony accompanies what melody...it is one thing to write dissonance-based, questionably musical "math rock" ala Voivod and Meshuggah...it is another to use those dissonant chord changes and wring from them a sense of melodic direction that is completely musical in nature.
And once again, the lyrical concept and story behind the album is pure art, presented in a way that manages to come across with no pretension at all.
I personally feel you have to be in the right frame of mind to "get" De-Loused. Listen to it when you have time to digest the entire album beginning to end and look up an explanation of the album concept on the internet before you do.
Personally I had the album for 3 months and thought it was good, but not amazing. Then I listened to it on headphones one night before bed and it just all slid into place just how brilliant an album it is.
YMMV
Matt Till said:
He isn't considered emo to most ATDI/TMV fans. He also sounds the same in his ATDI albums...so its not like he cut the whine or anything.
I don't get the connection to ATDI being emo....they're nothing like it. (thats not directed at you, btw)
I must say I do like Mars Volta, but I think their sounds needs some work. And their guitarist needs some tone that doesn't suck.
But I like a majority of their songs, but I agree that they are not the best thing since(make up your mind). But that's just my opinion.
But I like a majority of their songs, but I agree that they are not the best thing since(make up your mind). But that's just my opinion.
On one song, the guitarist's tone sounds identical to Robert Fripp's tone on the early KC records.
