The argument for (or) against mixing cabs - example: 115 & 410

[ThisBass]

Why all the agonising over 10s and 15s when you can get 12s and worry about something -- anything -- else?

cause "generic" matching 12"'s don't do the same thing like a good "balanced" mixed rig can do?

I'd wish all of the cab manufacturers get an insight it's better to design exclusively cabs with extended lows loaded with 10" drivers and definitely quit with a unique voicing (just say good by you legendary EVM series drivers).
It seems like the average does put no value on MI voiced cabs anymore.

If I was a pro cab builder I'd give more respect to extended low end instead of trying to design cabs with good efficience and distinct musical character.
Very likely, the more "neutral" sounding than the better sounding, the more of low response, the more of Xmax, then the more the cab is an absolute winner.

 

[tedious1]

HERETIC!!! WYTCH Burn her/him!

Wait one! I haven't had my weight compared to that of a duck, or even small rocks!

LOL! Guilty as charged, although to be fair, I didn't particularly try to hide the fact that I come down on the science side of this particular debate.

I consider it a demonstration of manful restraint that I did not refer to the tone wood debate as "Do you believe in the Tone Wood Fairy"

 

[Anachronism]

The argument for mixed drivers: It's often cheaper. It can sound good.
The argument against: Pretty well stated already.


Meanwhile...not sure if trolling or just stupid.

How many folks did the Catholic church murder for even suggesting the earth was flat? How long after solid scientific proof existed were those murders still being carried out? That's the same dynamic here.

 

[gjohnson441496]

I'm fairly new here at TB and run across so many commentary and advice against running a 1x15 & a 4x10 cabinet together.. it's as if you're playing on a Ouija board with a baptist pastor or something that it's ridiculous.. I've played bass since 1988 and at a semi-pro level since at least 2001 with over 600 shows to date.. I've mixed cabs of 2x15 and 2x10 together, 4x10 and 1x15 together etc... all with good results.

Pro's play the same... here below are a few examples but maybe you guys know something some of us don't... please try to explain the argument for (or) against mixing cabs. Thanks -

Flea of RHCP uses three Gallien-Krueger 2001RB amps, one controls the other two as slaves. The amps run into three Gallien-Krueger 410 cabinets and three 115 cabs, all running. There are two additional 2001RB amps in the rack, one is used when Klinghoffer plays bass, and the other is simply a backup.


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Just before heading out on this 2011 Mars Volta tour, Alderete switched his amp setup from his old standby SVT-VR heads and cabs to the newer PF-500 heads, which power PF-115 1x15 and PF-210 2x10 cabinets.

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This subject is another red herring. The ones that speak against mixing cabs talk in ohms, watts, crossovers and all kinds of pseudo-technical jargon. I own a Hartke Hydrive system 115 & 410 with the LH1000 and the manual suggest using this setup (Hartke wouldn't suggest it if it were detrimental. That's like shooting yourself in the foot). I've use them together bridged, parallel and in series and everything still works and sounds good to my ears. And sometimes I have a need to use either the 115 or the 410's separately. Don't worry about.

 

[tedious1]

Meanwhile...not sure if trolling or just stupid.

If you have reason to question my analogy, either in content, or in applicability, you had the option to raise that question like an adult, and I would have happily engaged in an adult discussion with you on those points, probably via PM to avoid derailing the thread.

But since you insist on stooping to the level of a child and hurling insults, I don't feel obliged to extend you any adult courtesy, at all. In fact, I'm going to go one better, and be pro-active. I'm a musician, I have enough children in my life by choice, I don't need any internet foster children to boot.

So it's on to the ignore list with you sir, life is too short to waste it arguing with children.

Anyone else want on my ignore list? If I'm going to make additions, I may as well make a bunch of them.

It's not hard, just be an ignorant snot-nose, and off you go...

 

[morgansterne]

If I was a pro cab builder I'd give more respect to extended low end instead of trying to design cabs with good efficience and distinct musical character.
Very likely, the more "neutral" sounding than the better sounding, the more of low response, the more of Xmax, then the more the cab is an absolute winner.

Buy an acme cab!!. I have a b2 (2x10) and a generic 15" that sound good separately, and bad together.

 

[kat888]

plug in your 4Ω and 8Ω cabs together and wait for the magic smoke, if it makes you happy why bother with all the pseudo-technical science-y rubbish?

 

[Anachronism]

If you have reason to question my analogy, either in content, or in applicability, you had the option to raise that question like an adult, and I would have happily engaged in an adult discussion with you on those points, probably via PM to avoid derailing the thread.

But since you insist on stooping to the level of a child and hurling insults, I don't feel obliged to extend you any adult courtesy, at all. In fact, I'm going to go one better, and be pro-active. I'm a musician, I have enough children in my life by choice, I don't need any internet foster children to boot.

So it's on to the ignore list with you sir, life is too short to waste it arguing with children.

Anyone else want on my ignore list? If I'm going to make additions, I may as well make a bunch of them.

It's not hard, just be an ignorant snot-nose, and off you go...

Hilarious. You got your facts totally wrong (perhaps you were trying to reference the debates over heliocentrism), and storm off in a huff when called on it. Amusing for the rest of the folks in this thread at least.

 

[Bass_Pounder]

This subject is another red herring. The ones that speak against mixing cabs talk in ohms, watts, crossovers and all kinds of pseudo-technical jargon. I own a Hartke Hydrive system 115 & 410 with the LH1000 and the manual suggest using this setup (Hartke wouldn't suggest it if it were detrimental. That's like shooting yourself in the foot). I've use them together bridged, parallel and in series and everything still works and sounds good to my ears. And sometimes I have a need to use either the 115 or the 410's separately. Don't worry about.

Not a "red herring" in the least.

I believe the hydrives were designed to work together.

Not all manufacturers take the time to match the components they sell.

 

[bikeplate]

Did an Epifani 2x10 with an Epifani 1x15 for a couple years. Sounded amazing. Did it on Nicks recommendation. Go figure

 

[tedious1]

This subject is another red herring. The ones that speak against mixing cabs talk in ohms, watts, crossovers and all kinds of pseudo-technical jargon. I own a Hartke Hydrive system 115 & 410 with the LH1000 and the manual suggest using this setup (Hartke wouldn't suggest it if it were detrimental. That's like shooting yourself in the foot). I've use them together bridged, parallel and in series and everything still works and sounds good to my ears. And sometimes I have a need to use either the 115 or the 410's separately. Don't worry about.

If that's really the case, then pickup an ampeg 1x15, take out the Hartke 1x15, and drive that rig to it's limit. If you're right, nothing bad is going to happen. But if Hartke paid attention to the science that you are ignoring, and designed those cabs to work together, then the little experiment above is simply going to set you back the cost of that Ampeg 1x15, so buy used.

 

[BassmanPaul]

Finally, this is gonna turn into a crapstorm.

Amen to that brother!!

 

[aborgman]

So explain how a FOH system that has 18s, 15s, 10s, and horns make any sound at all.

Crossovers and engineering.

Multiple drivers can work together if they're properly balanced, crossed over, and the quirks of individual drivers are taken into account.

Multiple sized drivers that are full range and not designed to work together are a crap shoot, and if used for more than mere stage monitoring are likely causing huge nulls and peaks due to cancellation/reinforcement in the crowd.

 

[Charlzm]

Someone, please correct me if I am wrong. I know I don't have to ask, but I'm being polite.

If I run a 2 X 10 cab and a 1 X 15 cab utilizing a crossover first, all will be well?

 

[kat888]

Someone, please correct me if I am wrong. I know I don't have to ask, but I'm being polite.

If I run a 2 X 10 cab and a 1 X 15 cab utilizing a crossover first, all will be well?

If the crossover point is correctly set and the levels good...

 

[ZorgRift]

one time i mixed a 15 and a 410 and was hurled into this dimension when i played my first note

and i suck in this dimension. i think the gravity is more or something.

don't be like me. don't mix drivers.

 

[ThisBass]

Buy an acme cab!!. I have a b2 (2x10) and a generic 15" that sound good separately, and bad together.

nah,

my "ideal" cab looks like the following

410 due to "distinct" speaker coupling
SPL 1watt/1 meter: 103 dB
f3 45Hz
VC of drivers 3" to improve thermal power handling and reduce THD
Xmax of 10mm
response and voicing at mids/treble like EVM series drivers


I have got a nice sounding 212+8 that combines nicely the characteristic of "both" worlds but, it's either fish nor meat, either typical MI 15" nor typical "generic" 410.

 

[two fingers]

I think OP has bailed on his own thread.

 

[/\/\3phist0]

Wait one! I haven't had my weight compared to that of a duck, or even small rocks!

LOL! Guilty as charged, although to be fair, I didn't particularly try to hide the fact that I come down on the science side of this particular debate.

I consider it a demonstration of manful restraint that I did not refer to the tone wood debate as "Do you believe in the Tone Wood Fairy"

But a duck floats, and what else floats?

 

[kat888]

Call me a grumpy old fart, but my 'ideal' driver is a single point source, diameter irrelevant, in a properly loaded box driven by a class A amplifier.