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The argument for (or) against mixing cabs - example: 115 & 410

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The most boring thing about all these threads is the no mixed driver scientists?
They have to a man, failed to understand that the PA system is also part of the equation and is probably due to its crossover and different speaker placement causing far worse phase anomolies than mixing a slightly different loudspeaker size without a crossover in a single location on a stage.
So why have the nay sayers all decided to look at the problem without taking the real complexities of the whole practical situation into account?.
Any scientists care to comment on why you don't really understand the question outside of an anechoic chamber.
 
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Bassmec said:
The most boring thing about all these threads is the no mixed driver scientists?
They have to a man, failed to understand that the PA system is also part of the equation and is probably due to its crossover and different speaker placement causing far worse phase anomolies than mixing a slightly different loudspeaker size without a crossover in a single location on a stage.
So why have the nay sayers all decided to look at the problem without taking the real complexities of the whole practical situation into account?.
Any scientists care to comment on why you don't really understand the question outside of an anechoic chamber.
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Many of us have no bass in the PA.
 
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/\/\3phist0 said:
additional note:
A Particular 410 with a particular 115 may work well.
Just a 410 of any type may not work well with just any 115.

Mixed drivers=mixed results: may work, may not.

matched drivers/cabs = predictable results (not NECESSARILY a tone that is liked by the player)

All cabs regardless of driver design OR even brand name are not created equal
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all the worse, while a single cab can provide very good results, an additional matching cab can turn the good impression to the opposite, or to the contrary improve the "image", it all depends.
 
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Bassmec said:
The most boring thing about all these threads is the no mixed driver scientists?
They have to a man, failed to understand that the PA system is also part of the equation and is probably due to its crossover and different speaker placement causing far worse phase anomolies than mixing a slightly different loudspeaker size without a crossover in a single location on a stage.
So why have the nay sayers all decided to look at the problem without taking the real complexities of the whole practical situation into account?.
Any scientists care to comment on why you don't really understand the question outside of an anechoic chamber.
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I'm not in the PA 99.99999 percent of the time. When I am, a single cab (single driver at low volume EX: 112/115) is enough, since at that point, it's my onstage (spot) monitor, or even better, if the system can support it, I'm only out of the fold back system, or in ears. So the point of mixed drivers/or not is nullified.

like the original poster's example of Flea's rig... it's a huge, expensive, advertisement for GK....AND a cool looking moderate volume hotspot monitor, he's not filling the stadium with that :)
 
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Gravedigger Dav said:
So explain how a FOH system that has 18s, 15s, 10s, and horns make any sound at all.
Old wives tales. I ran 1x15 and 2x10 for many years. It was a great sounding rig.
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FOH systems are crossed over and bi-amped. The real pro rigs also take into consideration---- time correction.

A 1-15 w/ 2-10 is a good combination. A 1-15 w/4-10 is not so good.
 
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Bassmec said:
The most boring thing about all these threads is the no mixed driver scientists?
They have to a man, failed to understand that the PA system is also part of the equation and is probably due to its crossover and different speaker placement causing far worse phase anomolies than mixing a slightly different loudspeaker size without a crossover in a single location on a stage.
So why have the nay sayers all decided to look at the problem without taking the real complexities of the whole practical situation into account?.
Any scientists care to comment on why you don't really understand the question outside of an anechoic chamber.
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That's it.. armchair acoustic scientists with no real world experience other than what they have read somewhere along the line.. I am sure there are problems that arise but in my estimation based on 27 years playing bass and being a semi-professional since 2001 the problem has not arisen for my un-scientific extremely lucky as I am musician self..
 
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lomo said:
Many of us have no bass in the PA.
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Many of us even don't have bass on stage, only the sound that is backward from PA with no in ear "support", and now?
I did it this way a couple of years with one of my band projects, but I think there is no need to talk to much about a "distinct" personal conditions just to prove science.
 
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ThisBass said:
Many of us even don't have bass on stage, only the sound that is backward from PA with no in ear "support", and now?
I did it this way a couple of years with one of my band projects, but I think there is no need to talk to much about a "distinct" personal conditions just to prove science.
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You are proving our point.

Obviously with NO drivers on stage you can't have cancellations and power handling problems.

As stated before: if the PA is doing the heavy lifting the argument is moot.

Quite frankly running bass via the PA and having a sound guy makes any argument about stage rigs hollow.
At that point the bass player's only job is: right notes at the right time. You can ask for anything but the guy running the faders is going to do what he thinks best.

If the FOS is out of your hands any arguments about best cabinets and whatnot aren't really worth a whole lot.

Not you personally @ThisBass, but you illustrated a great point.
 
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WaynerBass said:
That's it.. armchair acoustic scientists with no real world experience other than what they have read somewhere along the line.. I am sure there are problems that arise but in my estimation based on 27 years playing bass and being a semi-professional since 2001 the problem has not arisen for my un-scientific extremely lucky as I am musician self..
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Hmm Bill Fitzmaurice, duke lejeuene, Andy fields, Bob lee. I'm sure you have much more real world experience than they do :)
 
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