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The Bar Business is ROUGH

Yep, have played in some real dives and seen some crazy **** in 35+ years of gigging.
Numerous fistfights (and not just between men), a few knife fights even a few total free-for-alls. I have even played behind chicken wire. Get people together and get them intoxicated and sooner or later you'll be witness to the underbelly of human behavior.

Don't even get me started on club owners. :scowl:
 
I used to play at the enlisted men's clubs on a Navy/Marine base and an Air Force base. The sailors and Marines hated each other and fought like cats and dogs, but it was a great gig. The Airmen and Women were boooooring. And those gigs sucked. But bars are bars. Your not there to create a concert vibe,you're there as cheap entertainment to keep folks happy and drinking.
 
I will never understand people that drop by a post to leave a snide comment and move on with out adding anything of value to the conversation... Here's a thought, just move the hell on if you can't do or say anything constructive?

On topic. I'm 40 at this point, and I haven't played a bar in years. Last bar gig I did I was probably 32. Just got far too old. Last gig I did in a bar a fight broke out and managed to make it to the stage. If I hadn't been close enough to snatch up my 63 P-bass the morons would have landed right on it.

Two things happened after that. The 63 P-bass never went out again, and I was done with the dive bar scene. In the end It just wasn't, and isn't worth it to me. Between the jerks that can't hold their liquor and have to fight, to the bar owner that is constantly looking for a way to break it off in your butt, it just wasn't worth it to me anymore. Not to mention some of the bars I was playing in the freaking 90's pay less now for a good band than they did 15 to 20 years ago..

Let me be clear, not all bar owners are out to screw ya, but there is a reason that stereotype exist, and not all bars are dives where the morons run free. I've had some great times playing bars, when I was younger, but the bad out weighed the good, so I moved on from that scene. YMMV and so on and so on.
 
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the Hudson Valley in upstate NY. Poughkeepsie to Hudson on the east side of the river and Kingston on the west side. These are smaller cities than Fort Wayne but they have their rough spots and people.

We share the exact same neck of the woods:)

Rough spots and people indeed. If there's anything I'd say about it, it's that most venues are pretty intimate and that can lend itself to certain "issues".
 
I think what it boils down to, for us bands:

Unless you have a "Peter Grant" type manager looking out for you, it behooves you to keep your wits about you when playing in dives. Don't get wasted, don't get into altercations, don't piss off the bouncers. Try to keep a level head. And sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor...there's times to just walk away. It's not worth getting shot over.
 
Lol...I'll be at the Turning Mill Monday night:)

too much ... if I was around I would come hear you but I have to get back down the river. Stay safe and don't get yourself shot. :ninja: BTW, here's your ex next to my '78 Oly white fretless (which obviously has mellowed, or yellowed, with age):

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When we first started out in this band, Krystal had a friend playing in a local band that played at Dupont. They very nicely let us do a few songs during one of their sets. This was probably in late 2009. The soundman wasn't great; he wasn't awful, either. It's a hard bar to do sound in, because it has kind of an "L" shape. It had a fairly powerful sound system, with big subs under the stage, and we were impressed by the light show.

My manager, at the corporation where I work, was impressed that we were going to be playing there. "That's a nice bar," she said, surprised we could land such a big deal gig. Of course, we didn't really land anything; we just played a few songs as a guest band.

The owner at the time also had a sound company. We paid his sound company to do a few of our shows, (it was MURDER, because the sound guy cost at least HALF our pay.) So because of that, we were allowed to play for half price at Dupont, on a summer night when there were a ton of festivals going on. We were dismayed to see most of the light show was gone, because it had been lent out to a festival where Dupont's main draw was playing.

The odds of us getting a lot of people in weren't too good. We might have had 60 at our peak, and considerably less at other times in the night. Here is our first drummer, me playing a keyboard I have since replaced, Krystal playing her old Washburn bass, and Arthur singing a song that is, frankly, out of his range.



We weren't thrilled with that gig. We definitely had a ways to go as a band. We didn't think we had nearly a good enough crowd. Little did we know that was the biggest crowd we would ever draw there.

We played a few more half-price shows there, thinking we'd get in good with them, but they ended up stopping having bands, and ripped out the sound system. They just weren't drawing, even with their "money" bands.
 
Sad to hear. I lost a regular gig because someone was shot outside of the establishment and it turned out that the victim wasn't of legal age. Needless to say, it didn't reopen. The loss of that young mans life was the worst part of it but it's also about as horrible a night as you could imagine, being the owner or manager. I'm only bringing this next part up to illustrate the effect this murderous s.o.b. had on my band.

This establishment was a very popular college bar across from the university and was part of the culture of tens of thousands of students over the decades. The manager loved us and we were beginning to really draw the college kids to near capacity shows and then some on occasion. Six months into this situation, the murder occurs. End of the club.
 
After awhile, they got a new owner. He swore we had never played there, even though we had played four or five shows there. He booked us, and he was a total hardass about draw. From the first note of the first set, he stood and stared at us, and pretty much gave us the stinkeye.

We provided our own sound, and I think our sound was better than their big system. It certainly had better definition.

Here's a great example of us playing to an empty room during the fourth set. We had maybe 30 people for sets 1-3, slowly emptying out to about 12 or less.



We did get paid that night, but they weren't happy about it, and we knew we weren't coming back. Arthur's 70 year old grandmother forgot her ID, and the bouncers wouldn't let her in. So Arthur's entire family left, meaning we had about 8 less drinking customers that would've stayed all night.

The bartender was rude to us all night. There was a really nice waitress, who said she hated working there, and would soon be looking for employment elsewhere. All in all, it wasn't a nice experience, and I wasn't at all unhappy when the owner told me we would never play there again.

I'd rather play a smaller dive hole to an enthusiastic crowd than play on an actual stage to an almost empty room, and I have always had trouble getting people up there. All my people are on the other side of town.

We had played a total of 2 shows with the new owner, and although I didn't like the vibe, and I thought they were pretty rude, and the bouncers a little on the obnoxious side, I felt they had given us as fair a shake as anyone else was going to.
 
Perhaps a little off topic, albeit for safety's sake...Look at what one scumbag can do....walk into a club with a weapon and take out whoever he chooses. case in point, guitarist Dimebag Darrel - because of that issue Ted Nugent has his guitars fitted with a quick release derringer built into the back or his guitars. Who can blame him? Back in the old west everyone had a gun. Were there any "gallop by shootings?"

Anyone who got stupid got shot. There are always going to be idiots. Ted's got the right idea.
 
Sad to hear. I lost a regular gig because someone was shot outside of the establishment and it turned out that the victim wasn't of legal age. Needless to say, it didn't reopen. The loss of that young mans life was the worst part of it but it's also about as horrible a night as you could imagine, being the owner or manager. I'm only bringing this next part up to illustrate the effect this murderous s.o.b. had on my band.

This establishment was a very popular college bar across from the university and was part of the culture of tens of thousands of students over the decades. The manager loved us and we were beginning to really draw the college kids to near capacity shows and then some on occasion. Six months into this situation, the murder occurs. End of the club.

wow, that sucks. There have been a couple clubs closed around here for serving underage drinkers and the like, but nothing like that.
 
I've worked in bars for 24 years. I'm trying hard to make this year my last. They are pretty awful places if you really put some thought into it.

I don't play in bars anymore. I had 15 years of that and that was more than enough. It drove me away from music entirely. Now that I'm playing again we rent cheap halls, bring in other bands, don't allow alcohol, and do our own shows. We don't get to play out often but it is much more rewarding when we do, just not financially.
 
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...Back in the old west everyone had a gun. Were there any "gallop by shootings?"

Anyone who got stupid got shot. There are always going to be idiots. Ted's got the right idea.

Not to go off topic, but while this is a cool image from movies, it's also 100% incorrect. Cities and towns west of the Mississippi in the mid to late 1800's had extremely restrictive gun control laws. Signs at the city limits telling visitors to leave their firearms with the local police or face arrest were the norm.

On topic: bars can be dangerous. I lost one friend in the 80's to a drunk with a gun in a bar. I'm done playing them, but if you do: know where the exits are and how you're getting to them, keep your instruments out of reach of the patrons, keep the bouncers on your side, and most importantly if there's a fight HEAD THE OTHER WAY. Do not follow the drunks who have to see what's going on. That's how you get promoted from "bar patron" to "innocent bystander."
 
So, essentially you could have just said that gigging at bars may be rough because you could get shot. Of course I could get shot at a Safeway or a movie theater or a college classroom too.

Yeah, right on, Ironbar. :scowl: I could get run over crossing the road, too. When a security guard at Safeway, or an usher at the movie theater shoots you dead with impunity from the local law enforcement, I think it is a Little bit different than a random psycho.
I'm off to do a love mantra, now
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