The Combo Club

[GonePlaid]

@Mo Boogs :

Per the manual, it looks as tho' you have to pony up for the extension speaker to get your full 200W. (http://www.tech21nyc.com/t21manuals/VT200_OM.pdf)

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Hmm. If I'm reading this right, it's a 200W speaker into which you're pumping less than 200W, therefore not over taxing said speaker.
The R200c pushes 140W into the internal speaker and it's more than enuff most of the time. When I add the R112 cab, it's not necessarily louder(volume never above 1/2)but fuller.[I think]

 

[iagtrplyr]

@Mo Boogs :

Per the manual, it looks as tho' you have to pony up for the extension speaker to get your full 200W. (http://www.tech21nyc.com/t21manuals/VT200_OM.pdf)

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Bingo! I knew the spec sheet was somewhere; I just couldn’t find it. Thanks Haroldo.

So you’re looking at roughly 100 watts into eight ohms. Still respectable power for rehearsal or smaller gigs. If you want the other half of the power you will have to schlep another cab with ya. Choices choices!

 

[Haroldo]

Hmm. If I'm reading this right, it's a 200W speaker into which you're pumping less than 200W, therefore not over taxing said speaker.
The R200c pushes 140W into the internal speaker and it's more than enuff most of the time. When I add the R112 cab, it's not necessarily louder(volume never above 1/2)but fuller.[I think]

I think that the Rumble 200 and this VT200 would be similar in this regard (tho' I haven't looked at the Rumble 200 spec sheet).

 

[Mo Boogs]

I think that the Rumble 200 and this VT200 would be similar in this regard (tho' I haven't looked at the Rumble 200 spec sheet).

Except you get 15” with the Rumble. Anyone use a VT Bass pedal with a Rumble? Does it even need it?

 

[iagtrplyr]

I think that the Rumble 200 and this VT200 would be similar in this regard (tho' I haven't looked at the Rumble 200 spec sheet).

The Rumbler has a slight bump in power in 8 ohms and the larger speaker. Both offer a unique sound and have some versatility to them. The 200c weighs about a bag of potatoes more but they’re pretty close.

I really think the Rumble should be auditioned if possible because it has, IMHO, a strong Fenderish tone that’s loved by many, but some ears find that they can’t alter the baked-in tone enough to their liking. I myself was one of those when I owned the 500 head and 115 cab. I like my Rumble 100 more.

 

[GonePlaid]

I think that the Rumble 200 and this VT200 would be similar in this regard (tho' I haven't looked at the Rumble 200 spec sheet).

I got my R200c in Nov.,2015. At the time, I looked at the R100 also, and chose the 200c partly because it has extension speaker capability and partly 'cos of the 15" speaker. I like the sound of 2x12's, but that isn't available in the weight class and cash outlay I'm comfortable with. I was able to play my bass through both a 100 and a 200 at GC. I haven't seen a VT21 amp at any store in my area to test. Although the lighter weight is appealing, I don't wanna tie up the cash to order one and return it if it doesn't fill my needs. Besides, between my R40, my 200c and my 112 cab, I'm set. The collection(except the 112 which came later):

The 7enders:R200c/R112.....................................Bassman 25, R40

 

[Haroldo]

The Rumbler has a slight bump in power in 8 ohms and the larger speaker. Both offer a unique sound and have some versatility to them. The 200c weighs about a bag of potatoes more but they’re pretty close.

I really think the Rumble should be auditioned if possible because it has, IMHO, a strong Fenderish tone that’s loved by many, but some ears find that they can’t alter the baked-in tone enough to their liking. I myself was one of those when I owned the 500 head and 115 cab. I like my Rumble 100 more.

@GonePlaid, @Mo Boogs

I was merely commenting on the fact both amps require an additional speaker to get all the power that's on tap. Certainly, if possible, try before you buy.

 

[Haroldo]

I got my R200c in Nov.,2015. At the time, I looked at the R100 also, and chose the 200c partly because it has extension speaker capability and partly 'cos of the 15" speaker. I like the sound of 2x12's, but that isn't available in the weight class and cash outlay I'm comfortable with. I was able to play my bass through both a 100 and a 200 at GC. I haven't seen a VT21 amp at any store in my area to test. Although the lighter weight is appealing, I don't wanna tie up the cash to order one and return it if it doesn't fill my needs. Besides, between my R40, my 200c and my 112 cab, I'm set. The collection(except the 112 which came later):
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The 7enders:R200c/R112.....................................Bassman 25, R40
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Do they reproduce or have you obtained these through licensed breeders?

 

[GonePlaid]

Do they reproduce or have you obtained these through licensed breeders?

They're like wire hangers. They just seem to accumulate.

 

[iagtrplyr]

I got my R200c in Nov.,2015. At the time, I looked at the R100 also, and chose the 200c partly because it has extension speaker capability and partly 'cos of the 15" speaker. I like the sound of 2x12's, but that isn't available in the weight class and cash outlay I'm comfortable with. I was able to play my bass through both a 100 and a 200 at GC. I haven't seen a VT21 amp at any store in my area to test. Although the lighter weight is appealing, I don't wanna tie up the cash to order one and return it if it doesn't fill my needs. Besides, between my R40, my 200c and my 112 cab, I'm set. The collection(except the 112 which came later):
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The 7enders:R200c/R112.....................................Bassman 25, R40
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Garage door extra.

Whenever the discussion turns to the 200 combo I always tell the tale of when I first heard it. I was down at the local GC and there were the 200c and a Peavey Max 300-watt 15" combo next to it. Of course, there was no lefty bass in the store so one of the guys grabbed a bass and ran through both. We're comparing the two under different parameters (slow day) and then the sales guy said, "Let's open them both up and see what it sounds like." He already knew which one sounded better cranked but wanted me to decide for myself. There was no contest. The Fender wiped the floor, not as much with pure volume (they were pretty close), but in holding the bottom down at that volume. The Peavey got all tubby sounding and screamed to be released from its pain while the Fender seemed more than comfy and the bass coming out was as pleasing as when the volume dropped 50%. In five minutes I was sold on the Rumbler line.

I'd still like to hear that VT 200 though...

 

[GonePlaid]

Garage door extra.

Whenever the discussion turns to the 200 combo I always tell the tale of when I first heard it. I was down at the local GC and there were the 200c and a Peavey Max 300-watt 15" combo next to it. Of course, there was no lefty bass in the store so one of the guys grabbed a bass and ran through both. We're comparing the two under different parameters (slow day) and then the sales guy said, "Let's open them both up and see what it sounds like." He already knew which one sounded better cranked but wanted me to decide for myself. There was no contest. The Fender wiped the floor, not as much with pure volume (they were pretty close), but in holding the bottom down at that volume. The Peavey got all tubby sounding and screamed to be released from its pain while the Fender seemed more than comfy and the bass coming out was as pleasing as when the volume dropped 50%. In five minutes I was sold on the Rumbler line.

I'd still like to hear that VT 200 though...

Even tho I've said I won't buy any more P_____ amps, I am intrigued by their new MAX line-and the VT 200. But none of the brick and mortars around here have any and I'm somewhat(OK,very)reluctant to purchase a pig in a poke-even if I can return it. BTW, I've read more than one report of questionable QC(rattles and such-snakes?) on the MAX's.

 

[G-Dog]

... ... Anyone use a VT Bass pedal with a Rumble? Does it even need it?

There are some VT Bass pedal users in the Fender Rumble Club. Feel free to ask questions there.
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[iagtrplyr]

Even tho I've said I won't buy any more P_____ amps, I am intrigued by their new MAX line-and the VT 200. But none of the brick and mortars around here have any and I'm somewhat(OK,very)reluctant to purchase a pig in a poke-even if I can return it. BTW, I've read more than one report of questionable QC(rattles and such-snakes?) on the MAX's.

Agreed, GP. I’ve also seen multiple rattle complaints. I would assume simple enough to fix, but ya never know. I too thought that the 2 X 8 MAX would be an interesting alternative to the TE version being they’re both being overseen by the same boss. Not for me though until the rattle stops!

 

[GonePlaid]

Agreed, GP. I’ve also seen multiple rattle complaints. I would assume simple enough to fix, but ya never know. I too thought that the 2 X 8 MAX would be an interesting alternative to the TE version being they’re both being overseen by the same boss. Not for me though until the rattle stops!

As seen in the 'group pic', I have an older MAX 110(100[?]W into 1x10). After much f---ing* around with all the controls, it now resides in the van as a backup in case any of our amps poo's out on a gig. 5 minutes-or less-and we're back makin' noise.
*ool-gotcha!

 

[GonePlaid]

Agreed, GP. I’ve also seen multiple rattle complaints. I would assume simple enough to fix, but ya never know. I too thought that the 2 X 8 MAX would be an interesting alternative to the TE version being they’re both being overseen by the same boss. Not for me though until the rattle stops!

There was a 2x8 MAX at the WPB GC, but I'm not interested in that one. Plus, typical of 'that brand', it was built like a tank, just heavier.<EDIT>"One other thing"(Columbo). I know these things come from across the drink and that a few screws might work loose, but other brands also come from(??)and they(Rumbles)didn't need maintenance upon arrival.

 

[Mo Boogs]

The TNT is apparently a rite of passage for many. Spoken as a (once) TNT owner and player.

Definitely miss my TNT. It was good amp. Mine was a 2000-2002ish still made in USA with the red stripe. But the weight was issue for me. Dang near 100LBs and only one handle for picking up made it super rough to get up and down stairs. I did have removable casters on my though and that helped with the horizontal moves. My little Basic 112 is from the same era. Maybe 2004 because of the newer badge but still USA made. It just sounds boxy with that small cab.

 

[Jeremy Jones]

So just throwing this out there. I started to have a weird buzzing sound in my Studio 40. Took it to the dealer and found that Fender is replacing the amp for me should be here in a week. Luck I have a v3 40 so I am good for the next couple of gigs. I am so happy they took care of the issue no questions asked

 

[GwenOnBass]

Definitely miss my TNT. It was good amp. Mine was a 2000-2002ish still made in USA with the red stripe. But the weight was issue for me. Dang near 100LBs and only one handle for picking up made it super rough to get up and down stairs. I did have removable casters on my though and that helped with the horizontal moves. My little Basic 112 is from the same era. Maybe 2004 because of the newer badge but still USA made. It just sounds boxy with that small cab.

Mine was a (roughly) 1980 TNT 100, heavier than nevermind you know - heavier than a Peavey. Rock n' Roll.

 

[Flamingo21]

I started to have a weird buzzing sound in my Studio 40. Took it to the dealer and found that Fender is replacing the amp for me should be here in a week. Luck I have a v3 40 so I am good for the next couple of gigs. I am so happy they took care of the issue no questions asked

That's how it should be, of course. But hey, there's nothing wrong with being happy about it.

 

[iagtrplyr]

That's how it should be, of course. But hey, there's nothing wrong with being happy about it.

I agree, but you always feel better knowing the company is going to stand behind its product, no matter. That's great news, JJ. I always worry about these computer-based amps that even the slightest gremlin could throw it into arrest. At least you have your rock-solid R40 to keep the fires burning.