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The direction music is headed?

#321
baalroo said:
So anyhow, on to the actual discussion and to respond to a few things you've said. There may be SOME truth to the idea that since all the music is free people are LESS discerning, but here's something to consider as well: Although music is often procured for free (especially by the youth), at that point the commodity that actually ends up being at a premium is the listeners TIME. When presented with so many choices, if you aren't discerning about what you download you could quite literally end up listening to TERRIBLE music all day every day.
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I get the time and that does make sense. Though I would say that the majority of the youth doing P2P have plenty of it... :)

I posted in another thread, was too lazy to find it, so I'll just re-state. I just turned 40. During the 80's I was so desperate to find new music (At the time I was getting into Thrash, Speed, and Death Metal mostly) my friends and I would go to the sections, and buy stuff based off of band names and album covers. It was a gamble in which sometimes we lost, but it was worth the cost to find the gems. Maybe I was odd but the search was harder then, then now IMO. But I still did it. And I did Coulumbia House too, but they didn't have what I was looking for at the time... :D

baalroo said:
That's exactly what I've been trying to say actually. Less and less acts will be extremely popular, because people are spending more time with more different artists.
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I don't know man... I understand what you're saying and it DOES make sense. I see Lady Gaga, and the Black Eyed Peas everywhere though. It's not because I look for them either... Maybe I'm being to narrow though.
 
#322
Waterpilot said:
I don't know man... I understand what you're saying and it DOES make sense. I see Lady Gaga, and the Black Eyed Peas everywhere though. It's not because I look for them either... Maybe I'm being to narrow though.
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Yeah see, I consume A LOT of media. I'm constantly watching movies, TV shows, playing videogames, listening to music, podcasts, youtube... I would say I border on being an "absolute media junkie" (it's the "absolute" bit that I don't agree with). That being said, I pretty much never see anything about Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, Justin Bieber, Rebecca Black, Britney Spears, etc unless I'm here on TB or see some parody or satire of something they have done and then have to backtrack and figure out what the parody is for. So, maybe in a way I'm the one who is somehow being too narrow, but man, it sure doesn't feel like it. I don't go out of my way to avoid pop-culture, but I don't seem to have any problem with it invading the media that I like to consume either.

Pop-culture and I seem to have shaken hands, agreed to disagree, and decided to just go our separate ways. No hard feelings.
 
#324
baalroo said:
Also, more importantly IMO, the amount of "quality" music being made available now SO FAR exceeds the amount of "quality" music that was available 40 years ago that it's unrealistic to assume that many bands will EVER again be as popular as groups like Led Zeppelin, The Who, etc. Simply because there are so many more choices now.

The state of music is f#*%#$ awesome right now and getting better all the time.
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That's kind of what I was trying too get at, but you said it much better than I did!

+100
 
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#326
AcidFripp said:
Too deep for you, perhaps?
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"Deep" as in complex and thought provoking? Hardly, but I think the marketing is brilliant, whether or not it was intentional.
Smoke and robes, the whole demonic overtones/rebel against society mystique, LOUD, so stupidly simple to emulate that any neophyte "wanna be" with the money to buy gear can do it without dealing with that pesky "learn to actually play" thing.
IMO perfect to appeal to the throngs of young males that want to claim to be a musician; who want a facebook or myspace page and a made up record label they can tell all their friends about, but don't have the ability, talent, or the discipline to actually learn to play.
I think a lot of actual players started out that way; wanting to be a rock star and learning by emulating the easiest 3 chord songs. However it took a lot of work and discipline to actually make your efforts sound good.
"Drone" eliminates all that hard work. Just down tune, crank it up, hit a chord while looking as surreal as possible and you can claim you are a "drone" band to all your peers and on internet forums.
Not unlike claiming to be a "rap singer"; the epitome of oxymoronic in my estimation.

Not that there is anything wrong with it, and again my hat is off to those "bands" like Sunn that have capitalized on the genre; I assume and truly hope they are making a decent living for themselves and families, because as far as I’m concerned if you can accomplish that while doing something you love you’re ahead of the curve. I offer kudos and wish them continued good luck.
 
#327
edbass said:
Not unlike claiming to be a "rap singer"; the epitome of oxymoronic in my estimation.
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Don't know much about drone music, so I can't comment much on that. I do agree with your point about many kids picking up an instrument and not dedicating themselves to truly learning it, and don't even get me started on the Facebook / MySpace generation of people thinking they are more import than they actually are (for full disclosure, I do have a fb page, lol), but I do take issue with the above statement.

I grew up in the Bronx, NY when hip hop was just becoming main stream. Like any other art that becomes very popular, there are many practitioners (some may say most) that are less than the best, but are simply trying to make money.

There are, however, many rappers
 
#331
edbass said:
...Not unlike claiming to be a "rap singer"; the epitome of oxymoronic in my estimation...
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fmoore200, I'll step in and say that I don' think the comment about "rap singer" was meant as a stab at Hip-Hop or Rap music in general. When I read the comment, it seemed the issue was with the term "rap singer" when rap is SPEAKING and not singing. That doesn't mean that a rap is not rythmic or that rap music is not musical...just that rapping is not singing...it's speaking. That's what I read in the comment, anyway. Since he said it was oxymoronic.
 
#334
edbass said:
"Deep" as in complex and thought provoking? Hardly, but I think the marketing is brilliant, whether or not it was intentional.
Smoke and robes, the whole demonic overtones/rebel against society mystique, LOUD, so stupidly simple to emulate that any neophyte "wanna be" with the money to buy gear can do it without dealing with that pesky "learn to actually play" thing.
IMO perfect to appeal to the throngs of young males that want to claim to be a musician; who want a facebook or myspace page and a made up record label they can tell all their friends about, but don't have the ability, talent, or the discipline to actually learn to play.
I think a lot of actual players started out that way; wanting to be a rock star and learning by emulating the easiest 3 chord songs. However it took a lot of work and discipline to actually make your efforts sound good.
"Drone" eliminates all that hard work. Just down tune, crank it up, hit a chord while looking as surreal as possible and you can claim you are a "drone" band to all your peers and on internet forums.
Not unlike claiming to be a "rap singer"; the epitome of oxymoronic in my estimation.

Not that there is anything wrong with it, and again my hat is off to those "bands" like Sunn that have capitalized on the genre; I assume and truly hope they are making a decent living for themselves and families, because as far as I’m concerned if you can accomplish that while doing something you love you’re ahead of the curve. I offer kudos and wish them continued good luck.
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While a lot of what you say is valid, I'm not sure you're giving drone music the respect it deserves.

In other words, you're not a LaMonte Young fan, I take it?
 
#335
MonkeyBass said:
Just remember that the number one hit in 1969 was "Sugar Sugar" by The Archies.
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IMHO, Pop Culture doen't lead but follows the real leaders, be it in music, or any other art form. The real artists take chances and are often so far ahead of the rest of the culture that the pop culture only catches up much later...ie...re: "Sugar,Sugar"...How many great musicians do you think played on that song, or would have had it been offered to them, or would have toured with that band at the time, or played that song as a cover, or would have even listened to it long if it came up on the radio ... in fact...other than a Pop Radio station-I don't think I've ever heard that song played...esp. live...yet it was a number one hit for quite a while in the year of Woodstock!! In 69 I saw Johnny Winter, Led Zepplin, Jeff Beck, Hendrix, the Who, Mountain, The Doors, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Janis Joplin, Tommy Bolin, two major festivals- 3 days each at the Denver Rock Festival and at Woodstock ...and I gotta say-I never heard "Sugar,Sugar" played by any of these mentioned artists/or others at those venues that IMHO ... were "Ahead of the Curve" :D ... but... Pop can be very funny and I'm no elitist... Pop and I can still be friends ;) Peace...DAcat :cool:
 
#338
I'm so sick of every second song on radio or MTV/Much featuring Rhianna.

Everything is starting to sound like another crappy Rhianna tune...

....and taking all the magic away from collaborations....Lita Ford and Ozzy blew our minds at the time, as did Max Webster and Rush.

But now, it's just "oh crap, here comes the Rhianna chorus again" or "the Drake rap verse"

So sick of this crap....thanks goodness for old recordings of "the good stuff"
 

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