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The Fender Super Bassman 300 thread

Found a strange thing in one of my Bassman Pro Neo 115s last night. Seems they're wired outta phase????
I was using a mates DB750 and it sounded better using one of the 115s that when both were plugged in. So ... I used just one. Today I switched they wires on one around. . and... bang... greater sound using 2. Strange I'd not noticed b4... using either my Super Bassman nor the V4B????
Anyhoo. .. all seems right now.
Wierd!
 
Found a strange thing in one of my Bassman Pro Neo 115s last night. Seems they're wired outta phase????
I was using a mates DB750 and it sounded better using one of the 115s that when both were plugged in. So ... I used just one. Today I switched they wires on one around. . and... bang... greater sound using 2. Strange I'd not noticed b4... using either my Super Bassman nor the V4B????
Anyhoo. .. all seems right now.
Wierd!

!!! Was/is that also the case with your SB, too??? I mean, are you sure your mates DB750 wasn't "repaired" with one out of phase connector, and one not? Or, gasp, your SB was?!? Did you check the wiring on both 115s to confirm the difference? Wasn't just a rogue cable? Don't speakons have a convention of which wire goes where? Totally scary!
 
Found a strange thing in one of my Bassman Pro Neo 115s last night. Seems they're wired outta phase????
I was using a mates DB750 and it sounded better using one of the 115s that when both were plugged in. So ... I used just one. Today I switched they wires on one around. . and... bang... greater sound using 2. Strange I'd not noticed b4... using either my Super Bassman nor the V4B????
Anyhoo. .. all seems right now.
Wierd!
That's strange, Rod. Did you do the test thing with a 9 volt battery just to double check? I always used to do that with any multispeaker cab after I once had an SWR 410 with one speaker out of phase.
 
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@Tim1 what's this 9v test you speak of?
Works with a 1.5 volt battery too, but it is easier to use a 9 volt because of its shape. Plug a speaker cable into your amp then take the other end (it needs to be a jack plug to do it easily) and rest the sleeve (ground) on the -ve battery connection then touch the tip on the +ve battery connection. If they are in phase all the speakers should move forward when you touch tip to +ve.
 
Hey guys....have any of you used the 2 ohm setting with a 2.67 ohm load? I have an 8ohm 410 .and just scored 2 .8ohm 15's and an old empty Laney cab . I know it seems like overkill. But I really would love to try them together..... Any drawbacks to using this configuration @ 2.67 ohm .besides the obvious mixed driver debate..any first hand experience would be greatly appreciated .
 
Hey guys....have any of you used the 2 ohm setting with a 2.67 ohm load? I have an 8ohm 410 .and just scored 2 .8ohm 15's and an old empty Laney cab . I know it seems like overkill. But I really would love to try them together..... Any drawbacks to using this configuration @ 2.67 ohm .besides the obvious mixed driver debate..any first hand experience would be greatly appreciated .

See this from the Fender Super Bassman manual for 2.67 ohm load switch setting:
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Can't get any more straightforward than that!
 
So after lurking on this thread for almost 5 years, it's time to share my path to the SB300.

In 2012 I decided to finally invest in a serious big boy all tube rig. I had every intention of going the Ampeg route, but I discovered the then fledgling Bassman Pro lineup and was more than smitten with the gorgeous black face aesthetics and the promise of overcoming tube anxiety with the new autobias system.

Now it was just down to deciding between the SB300 and the 100T. Never has there been a sweeter dilemma.

The tone in my head that I was striving to acquire was somewhere between Rob Wright (Nomeansno) and Chris Squire with some Matt Freeman ala Operation Ivy thrown in for good measure. Punchy, crunchy mids with plenty of growl, well defined lows and clear, bell-like highs. Yep, I pretty much wanted it all.

After many, many hours of scouring the internet for any and all info relating to both the SB300 and 100T, I found myself becoming more and more enamored with the concept of the harmonics and overtones of power tubes breaking up was what I was after. It may have been Tim1 on the 100T thread that made the point that the 100T in the 25 watt mode could achieve this breakup at small room volumes where as the SB300 would not be able to do this at anything but large outdoor venue volume levels. That and the absolutely excellent feature of the DI being post power tube sold me on the 100T.

After 2 years with the 100T and a matching 410neo I finally pulled the trigger on a Rick 4003W that I assumed would be be the last link in my perfect tone chain. When I found the results to be somewhat anemic, even with my string of choice, Thomastic Jazz Flats, I added a second 410neo.

To complain about this rig would be absurd, but I just wasn't blown away. Over the years I was always curious about the reports from Tim1 and Rodl2005 about the SB300 adding more "weight" to each note and I was becoming aware that that was what I was missing. To wrap this story up, here is my current rig. I have read every post here and want to thank everyone for their insight.

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Whee doggy ! That'll work! :thumbsup::hyper::hyper::hyper:
So .... how'd ya like the Super B.? Comparison ???:cigar:

Yes, 100T vs SB300 comparison notes, please! I'd thought about the 100T b4 going SB300, but wonder if I didn't miss out on some break-up options... I may never get the SB300 to its limit. Did you find the notes fatter on the SB than the T? I do love the thick fat tone of the SB. Used the SB, Barefaced Four10, and Sansamp VT DI as a processor, with a 5-string Sire... those low notes were something to behold, like liquid gold.
 
Whee doggy ! That'll work! :thumbsup::hyper::hyper::hyper:
So .... how'd ya like the Super B.? Comparison ???:cigar:

Wow, where to start... I've begun writing a reply several times only to realize that I'm basicly regurgitating what has already been expressed here by those with many more years of experience with much more gear. It hadn't really occurred to me that I have an excellent opportunity to A/B these awesome amps through matching cabs with the ease of push/pulling two master vol knobs and swapping an instrument cable. The only thing I'm lacking is free time, which is at a premium these days with a teenager and 3 more under 10 to keep me busy.

Just to lay down my basic thoughts on the matter is to say that I am so fortunate to have started out with the 100T if for no other reason than that I would never have been compelled to get one after playing through the SB300. This is in no way meant as a slight to the 100T, it's just that the SB300 brings the weight and meat to every note that just absolutely does "it" for me. The difference is something I feel more than hear, if that makes any sense.

When comparing the amps in my mind, I can't help but use non-quantitative adjectives that are less than academic. I find that tonally, they are extremely similar, but the SB300 has so much more presence(?) which is more than just an increase in decibels. I believe I may now understand the concept of headroom a little more clearly.

Besides the fact that both of these heads are well on their way to becoming iconic bass amps, I will never, ever part with my 100T. It is not a little brother to the SB300 but an extremely versatile tone machine with a bag of tricks unique unto itself. Where the SB300 has ultimately provided me with my desired "voice" as a bassist, the 100T and a Squier Bass VI have expanded my creativity 10 fold in ways that border on addiction.

With time permitting, I would love to offer the opportunity for me to attempt to provide a comprehensive comparison at specific settings to those inclined to request.
 
Wow, where to start... I've begun writing a reply several times only to realize that I'm basicly regurgitating what has already been expressed here by those with many more years of experience with much more gear. It hadn't really occurred to me that I have an excellent opportunity to A/B these awesome amps through matching cabs with the ease of push/pulling two master vol knobs and swapping an instrument cable. The only thing I'm lacking is free time, which is at a premium these days with a teenager and 3 more under 10 to keep me busy.

Just to lay down my basic thoughts on the matter is to say that I am so fortunate to have started out with the 100T if for no other reason than that I would never have been compelled to get one after playing through the SB300. This is in no way meant as a slight to the 100T, it's just that the SB300 brings the weight and meat to every note that just absolutely does "it" for me. The difference is something I feel more than hear, if that makes any sense.

When comparing the amps in my mind, I can't help but use non-quantitative adjectives that are less than academic. I find that tonally, they are extremely similar, but the SB300 has so much more presence(?) which is more than just an increase in decibels. I believe I may now understand the concept of headroom a little more clearly.

Besides the fact that both of these heads are well on their way to becoming iconic bass amps, I will never, ever part with my 100T. It is not a little brother to the SB300 but an extremely versatile tone machine with a bag of tricks unique unto itself. Where the SB300 has ultimately provided me with my desired "voice" as a bassist, the 100T and a Squier Bass VI have expanded my creativity 10 fold in ways that border on addiction.

With time permitting, I would love to offer the opportunity for me to attempt to provide a comprehensive comparison at specific settings to those inclined to request.

Totally understand and have been there with the time and children situation etc ....

I'll agree with everything (that I've experience with )you state above...
100% agree re the presence and weight behind every note with the SB300 . In my experience , it's unparalleled . As I've stated more times that I can remember, I was all set to grab myself an SVT-VR, as it was THE amp that had impressed me so much... like no other had . TB'er, author, and respected bass gear hoarder ;) Tom Bowlus suggested that I try the (then new) Fender Super Bassman .... as I had seen the amps he'd used, liked most etc... I was taking his suggestions onboard :cool:
Now, I'd recommend the Super Bassman just as highly, of not more highly, than the VR. It's tone is at LEAST as good. . and then you've got another channel ... with a blendable overdrive and sweepable mids. Plus it's lighter in weight. And, for me at least, here in Aus at the time, it was a grand cheaper . (I think it's closer in price now as the Aus $$ falls back down).

But, yep, agree again. Being able to play notes on my "skinny li'l" G string :woot: and know that they still punch hard:wideyed: is to me, SUCH a bonus. And I've heard no other amp do it as well. Allows me to play more elaborate lines (without going silly of course.... I AM still a "meat and potatoes" bassist:wacky: ) and still keep that solid cushion under the band.
I've tried plenty of amps since I first started playing in bands in the late 70s... and no amps do it as well. None. Not my mates DB750, not any 2kW power amps I've tried, no high powered class D amps. . Nuffink! :cigar:
So... yeah. . I'm still as glad I got it as the first time I got it.
 
Is it just me, but does the SB300 have the ability to bring out the best in every instrument plugged into it? Seriously, I've plugged everything with a pup I can find into it and I can't make it sound like poopie no matter how hard I try
It is not just you. There is something special about the SB300's ability to add weight and tone to a note which to my mind puts it ahead of other 300 watt tube heads. I have just realized, based on a bottle of good wine and my current stable, that my preference in all-tube heads is as follows: 100watts - Ampeg V4B, 200 watts - Orange AD200B, 300 watts - Fender Super Bassman 300.
 
It is not just you. There is something special about the SB300's ability to add weight and tone to a note which to my mind puts it ahead of other 300 watt tube heads. I have just realized, based on a bottle of good wine and my current stable, that my preference in all-tube heads is as follows: 100watts - Ampeg V4B, 200 watts - Orange AD200B, 300 watts - Fender Super Bassman 300.

I'll be curious to see how they rank after your second bottle!
 

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