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The Great Bass Preamp/DI Comparison

Snagged 2nd-hand a super sweet piece of gear. It's a Heritage Audio TT-73 which seems being their one-channel portable version of the DMA73. It got loads of juice and that Neve sound for sure. I quite see myself using it as my front-end recording device at home, but also as the last gain stage of my preamp before hitting my power-amp. And with a line splitter got a super sweet DI'd tone too ! Lo-Z is super useful, providing more lows and a an extra low-mid bump.

On the fence with velcroing the top and have some EQ/comp pedals over there.

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I'm debating on getting a Two Notes C.A.B. M+ and a Line 6 HX Stomp. Is that a crazy option to use along with my other analog pedals, instead of investing in a tube preamp/di?
 
I'm debating on getting a Two Notes C.A.B. M+ and a Line 6 HX Stomp. Is that a crazy option to use along with my other analog pedals, instead of investing in a tube preamp/di?
Yes. But I’ve been having the same awful thoughts lately. But I have some decent tube Pre/DI’s already so that’s not really a problem.
 
I'm debating on getting a Two Notes C.A.B. M+ and a Line 6 HX Stomp. Is that a crazy option to use along with my other analog pedals, instead of investing in a tube preamp/di?

Not at all. I love my Stomp and have a Torpedo M+ on the way. Right now I'm using an Empress Bass Comp and 3Leaf Octabvre with my Stomp with no issues. Sounds great

Having said that I also put in an order for a Lightstone Emperor so.....
 
270 pages later.... what would be the short list on Preamp *pedals* with sweepable mids (that are still easily acquired)?

Currently eyeing:
Two Notes Le Bass
ISP Beta Bass
EBS MicroBass 3

I was jonesing for one with headphone/aux for traveling, but I've got that covered so now those aren't must-haves. OD would be nice, Compression is covered though I do like having pre & post comp... but that's much lower on the wish list.

I play several styles but mostly for myself so looking for flexibility. Thoughts appreciated, sorry I can't read all 270 pages...
 
270 pages later.... what would be the short list on Preamp *pedals* with sweepable mids (that are still easily acquired)?

Currently eyeing:
Two Notes Le Bass
ISP Beta Bass
EBS MicroBass 3

I was jonesing for one with headphone/aux for traveling, but I've got that covered so now those aren't must-haves. OD would be nice, Compression is covered though I do like having pre & post comp... but that's much lower on the wish list.

I play several styles but mostly for myself so looking for flexibility. Thoughts appreciated, sorry I can't read all 270 pages...

Tone Hammer?
 
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Hello Talkbass,

Needing some recommendation from you all, preamp-fiends. I've started reading through the thread...but the amount of option and information is a bit overwhelming to be honest !

Long story short : I've used a VTDI for a few years now. Despite liking it overall, I always add some issue tweaking it perfectly how I like. However, I felt the additional EQ interesting in combination with my simple amp preamp (Ampeg VR). Also, it allowed me to send a nice "mic cab" sound through the DI to the FOH (I like to use distortions and Fuzzes and want to avoid the “hornet nest” sound coming from the PA).

A few weeks ago, we went in the studio with the band. The sound engineer spent a lot of time setting up the tone/sound for everybody and we ended up...ditching the VT bass from chain. Doing so made me push my amp settings in pretty crazy directions but really opened up and clarify my sound (who would have known ! lol).
We also tested the VT as DI only but we were not fully happy with the result, too much baked in sound. Which to my noobie surprise sounded very different from the VR/412 miced cad when doing A/B test with the VTDI!.

So, I am now very happy with my amp+cab tone but disappointed with the preamp, which is very important to me for live situation (cab is rarely miced and engineers rather have a DI 99% of the time).

I've naturally logged on Talkbass to look for options and oh boy...I am a bit lost here !

The requirements I have :

- a preamp mainly for a fat clean sound as I use my other pedals for overdriving. I don't mind if the preamp as the ability to go very overdriven, but it’s not at all needed.

- no fender tonestack EQ, I find it quite counter-intuitive and I love to easily boost both my bass AND mids.

- a parallel out of some kind, as I really like how the Ampeg VR and the 412 work together. HOWEVER, maybe my experience with the VTDI biaised my view on this and you guys had good results mixing EQs from a preamp pedal + preamp head. Let me know!

- MAYBE a cab simulation of some sort. The pedal should be mainly used to feed the FOH a nice colored DI (and avoid disto/fuzz "bees" effect) and home for practice. But again, maybe a cab simulation isn't mandatory to fulfill these two requirements.


So far I’ve thought about various preamps but still undecided :
- Arkham Oracle : sounding huge ! But no parallel out, no cab sim (if needed), coming from far away (I’m in Europe)
- Aguilar Tone Hammer : no parallel out, no cab sim, and would have zero use for the AGS.
- SLO III : seemed to have it all but….I can’t work with a fender tonestack ! Also, the two last time I ordered from Russia, customs messed everything up and the parcels went back to the seller. :(
- Sushi Particle Accelerator : sounding nice, but no DI nor parallel out
- DSM Simplifier : this one seem to do it all…….but also seem to be the less attractive in tone and sound :(


If anybody can give me some advice, I feel like running in circle so far !

EDIT: budget wise, around 800 USD should be my limit :unsure:
 
Hello Talkbass,

Needing some recommendation from you all, preamp-fiends. I've started reading through the thread...but the amount of option and information is a bit overwhelming to be honest !

Long story short : I've used a VTDI for a few years now. Despite liking it overall, I always add some issue tweaking it perfectly how I like. However, I felt the additional EQ interesting in combination with my simple amp preamp (Ampeg VR). Also, it allowed me to send a nice "mic cab" sound through the DI to the FOH (I like to use distortions and Fuzzes and want to avoid the “hornet nest” sound coming from the PA).

A few weeks ago, we went in the studio with the band. The sound engineer spent a lot of time setting up the tone/sound for everybody and we ended up...ditching the VT bass from chain. Doing so made me push my amp settings in pretty crazy directions but really opened up and clarify my sound (who would have known ! lol).
We also tested the VT as DI only but we were not fully happy with the result, too much baked in sound. Which to my noobie surprise sounded very different from the VR/412 miced cad when doing A/B test with the VTDI!.

So, I am now very happy with my amp+cab tone but disappointed with the preamp, which is very important to me for live situation (cab is rarely miced and engineers rather have a DI 99% of the time).

I've naturally logged on Talkbass to look for options and oh boy...I am a bit lost here !

The requirements I have :

- a preamp mainly for a fat clean sound as I use my other pedals for overdriving. I don't mind if the preamp as the ability to go very overdriven, but it’s not at all needed.

- no fender tonestack EQ, I find it quite counter-intuitive and I love to easily boost both my bass AND mids.

- a parallel out of some kind, as I really like how the Ampeg VR and the 412 work together. HOWEVER, maybe my experience with the VTDI biaised my view on this and you guys had good results mixing EQs from a preamp pedal + preamp head. Let me know!

- MAYBE a cab simulation of some sort. The pedal should be mainly used to feed the FOH a nice colored DI (and avoid disto/fuzz "bees" effect) and home for practice. But again, maybe a cab simulation isn't mandatory to fulfill these two requirements.


So far I’ve thought about various preamps but still undecided :
- Arkham Oracle : sounding huge ! But no parallel out, no cab sim (if needed), coming from far away (I’m in Europe)
- Aguilar Tone Hammer : no parallel out, no cab sim, and would have zero use for the AGS.
- SLO III : seemed to have it all but….I can’t work with a fender tonestack ! Also, the two last time I ordered from Russia, customs messed everything up and the parcels went back to the seller. :(
- Sushi Particle Accelerator : sounding nice, but no DI nor parallel out
- DSM Simplifier : this one seem to do it all…….but also seem to be the less attractive in tone and sound :(


If anybody can give me some advice, I feel like running in circle so far !

EDIT: budget wise, around 800 USD should be my limit :unsure:

Mozztronics DI-2 (have to deal with customs - AUS)
Lightstone Emperor (have to deal with customs - GER)
Grace ALiX
Line6 HxStomp (need TRS to XLR cable)
Mesa Subway DI+
Two Notes Le Bass
 
Hello Talkbass,

Needing some recommendation from you all, preamp-fiends. I've started reading through the thread...but the amount of option and information is a bit overwhelming to be honest !

Long story short : I've used a VTDI for a few years now. Despite liking it overall, I always add some issue tweaking it perfectly how I like. However, I felt the additional EQ interesting in combination with my simple amp preamp (Ampeg VR). Also, it allowed me to send a nice "mic cab" sound through the DI to the FOH (I like to use distortions and Fuzzes and want to avoid the “hornet nest” sound coming from the PA).

A few weeks ago, we went in the studio with the band. The sound engineer spent a lot of time setting up the tone/sound for everybody and we ended up...ditching the VT bass from chain. Doing so made me push my amp settings in pretty crazy directions but really opened up and clarify my sound (who would have known ! lol).
We also tested the VT as DI only but we were not fully happy with the result, too much baked in sound. Which to my noobie surprise sounded very different from the VR/412 miced cad when doing A/B test with the VTDI!.

So, I am now very happy with my amp+cab tone but disappointed with the preamp, which is very important to me for live situation (cab is rarely miced and engineers rather have a DI 99% of the time).

I've naturally logged on Talkbass to look for options and oh boy...I am a bit lost here !

The requirements I have :

- a preamp mainly for a fat clean sound as I use my other pedals for overdriving. I don't mind if the preamp as the ability to go very overdriven, but it’s not at all needed.

- no fender tonestack EQ, I find it quite counter-intuitive and I love to easily boost both my bass AND mids.

- a parallel out of some kind, as I really like how the Ampeg VR and the 412 work together. HOWEVER, maybe my experience with the VTDI biaised my view on this and you guys had good results mixing EQs from a preamp pedal + preamp head. Let me know!

- MAYBE a cab simulation of some sort. The pedal should be mainly used to feed the FOH a nice colored DI (and avoid disto/fuzz "bees" effect) and home for practice. But again, maybe a cab simulation isn't mandatory to fulfill these two requirements.


So far I’ve thought about various preamps but still undecided :
- Arkham Oracle : sounding huge ! But no parallel out, no cab sim (if needed), coming from far away (I’m in Europe)
- Aguilar Tone Hammer : no parallel out, no cab sim, and would have zero use for the AGS.
- SLO III : seemed to have it all but….I can’t work with a fender tonestack ! Also, the two last time I ordered from Russia, customs messed everything up and the parcels went back to the seller. :(
- Sushi Particle Accelerator : sounding nice, but no DI nor parallel out
- DSM Simplifier : this one seem to do it all…….but also seem to be the less attractive in tone and sound :(


If anybody can give me some advice, I feel like running in circle so far !

EDIT: budget wise, around 800 USD should be my limit :unsure:

Might be worth having a read/listen here: Tube Preamp/DI Sound Samples — Noble, Oracle, P-15, Super Stack, REDDI, Tonecraft, Jule...
Several preamps discussed there would probably fit the bill.
 

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