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The Great Bass Preamp/DI Comparison

Used my Helix Floor last night at a local bar with a big line array system (and a great house sound tech). We’ve played there many times in the past, but this was my first time there with the Helix.

This guy has run sound for *a lot* of bands....and I mean a lot.

End of the night, we’re tearing down and getting ready to go. Butter (the sound tech) comes up to me and tells me that “you just need to leave that (expletive) thing here so I can make every (expletive) bass player who plays here just plug into that. It sounded (expletive) perfect”. He’s heard me through several different rigs over the years, and he said this is the best tone I’ve ever had.

My band’s soundguy has said the same, but I write his checks, so I figured maybe he was just telling me what I wanna hear. Butter is brutally honest, if something sucks he’s gonna tell me it sucks.

So I guess I’m on the right track with the Helix and I’m gonna just stop looking at other gear now.
Ryan - are you running it straight to the board (with a 1/4” to make XLR cable) or do you have a DI?
 
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I'm torn. I mean, it's great that the soundtech loved your tone. Really...It's great.

But his name is Butter? Can a soundtech with the name of "Butter" be trusted??

:D

I'm really REALLY digging my Stomp. Damn thing is freakin' amazing. Is this your first foray into the world of processing? It is for me (with the Stomp) and I'm quite impressed.
Nickname. To be honest, I don’t even know his real name, and I’ve worked with the guy for years.
 
I just dusted off the Night Owl Edison for the effects/aux send in my small mixer chain. I’m currently playing more synth than bass, and the tone shaping that box has shows itself with the synth sounds. I kinda want to run pink-noise through it to see what the EQ shape looks like on a scope. I thought it was voiced but minimally colored on bass, but on synth is feels much more pronounced.

I'd be quite interested to see the EQ curve results if/when you do that. I got the same vibes about the Edison when @Chace90 let me check his out a few weeks ago. Subtle but nice on it's own, but the Edison added something even more with my C4.

So I guess I’m on the right track with the Helix and I’m gonna just stop looking at other gear now.

I'd be curious to hear what are you running for blocks and settings in your main patch? I've been digging into my Stomp quite a bit during Covid and have been quite pleased (that new Retro Reel is nice!), and am looking forward to transferring settings to my HXFX on my main board.

But his name is Butter? Can a soundtech with the name of "Butter" be trusted??

:D

I'm really REALLY digging my Stomp. Damn thing is freakin' amazing. Is this your first foray into the world of processing? It is for me (with the Stomp) and I'm quite impressed.

Why would you NOT trust a sound guy named Butter? That's a diehard roadie name if I've ever heard one! lol

Seriously though: +1 about the Stomp, obviously from my comment above. It just keeps getting better and better. If they ever manage to add an OC2 clone in there, I might just sell most of my single pedals and just pair the Stomp with my C4. (kinda kidding, but... kinda not)

I got one of those Neural DSP Quad Cortex digital things but it is DOA. No output signal from any of the outputs.

Ooof... $1600 box DOA? OUCH.

XLR straight to FOH. The Floor has XLR outs.

With my Stomp I ran into a Radial StageBug DI and then to FOH.

With the Stomp, you can switch the outputs to line, and all you'd need would be a 1/4" to XLR. I've done a few gigs set up this way, and the sound engineers didn't complain at all.

Except one who saw it on the second day of a 2-day gig:
SE: "Oh, Line 6?" (condescendingly) "I'll get you a DI."
Me: "No problem, it's all good."
SE: "Nah, I'll get you a real DI. It'll be better."
Me: "Okay, if you think we need it. But this is the way we ran it yesterday and you didn't say anything"
SE: "..." and walked away. (And he DIDN'T get me a DI)

lol

5sg.
 
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25198234[/URL], member: 90602"]I'd be quite interested to see the EQ curve results if/when you do that. I got the same vibes about the Edison when @Chace90 let me check his out a few weeks ago. Subtle but nice on it's own, but the Edison added something even more with my C4.

I tried it with a few different synths, including my modular rig which has three different oscillators (one is digital wavetable and the others are analog). It’s interesting to hear how different the Edison can be with each sound source. Some were worse and some were better with the Edison engaged.
 
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I'd be quite interested to see the EQ curve results if/when you do that. I got the same vibes about the Edison when @Chace90 let me check his out a few weeks ago. Subtle but nice on it's own, but the Edison added something even more with my C4.



I'd be curious to hear what are you running for blocks and settings in your main patch? I've been digging into my Stomp quite a bit during Covid and have been quite pleased (that new Retro Reel is nice!), and am looking forward to transferring settings to my HXFX on my main board.



Why would you NOT trust a sound guy named Butter? That's a diehard roadie name if I've ever heard one! lol

Seriously though: +1 about the Stomp, obviously from my comment above. It just keeps getting better and better. If they ever manage to add an OC2 clone in there, I might just sell most of my single pedals and just pair the Stomp with my C4. (kinda kidding, but... kinda not)



Ooof... $1600 box DOA? OUCH.



With the Stomp, you can switch the outputs to line, and all you'd need would be a 1/4" to XLR. I've done a few gigs set up this way, and the sound engineers didn't complain at all.

Except one who saw it on the second day of a 2-day gig:
SE: "Oh, Line 6?" (condescendingly) "I'll get you a DI."
Me: "No problem, it's all good."
SE: "Nah, I'll get you a real DI. It'll be better."
Me: "Okay, if you think we need it. But this is the way we ran it yesterday and you didn't say anything"
SE: "..." and walked away. (And he DIDN'T get me a DI)

lol

5sg.
Yeah, but that 1/4-XLR cable woulda been one more thing for me to lose. I had it set to line on the output anyway, but it was easier for me to have the little StageBug mounted right on my board.
 
Yep. Quad Cortex DOA. Doesn’t deliver any sound to any of the outputs. Hopefully support comes through.
Scuba - I'm sure you're way ahead on this - but check out one of the YT videos from a guy named Paul David on the Quad Cortex. If I remember correctly - he had that issue and it related back to how the outputs were being assigned in the UI. Maybe you'll get lucky and it's that!
 
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Good to see the love for the Line 6 gear.

I’m reading this as I sit in the green room between sets. The entire band is digital except the drummer. Keys run off a Mac. Both guitar players on Kempers. I’m running my Pod Go. The digital modelers are really legit now.
I don’t think my guitar player will ever be convinced of Line6 quality. I debated going that route, but my chain is basically compressor and tube DI so it seems a waste for me.
 
I don’t think my guitar player will ever be convinced of Line6 quality. I debated going that route, but my chain is basically compressor and tube DI so it seems a waste for me.

The two guitarists from one of my groups were like that too...both sneered at amp modeling and mic'd up their nice tube amps and used pedalboards full of FX to supplement their various tone needs. Then they heard me playing through the Stomp a few times. Now one plays a Fractal (direct to FOH, no amps) and the other has a POD Go en route.
 
It may make sense but I don’t think it can sound as good as my Empress/REDDI combo.

I have a Stomp and also a medium pedalboard full of tubes-n-stuff. The Stomp is amazing and really does get 90-95% of the way there, but it's usually also a fair amount more tweaking and fiddling and trial and error.
Can the audience tell the 5-10% difference? Probably not.
Can I tell? Usually yeah. There's just still a slight latency, and occasional "digital artifacts" that I obviously can't hear on the analog stuff. Time will tell if the portability/versatility of the Helix is enough to overcome it. Right now, I'm happy having both.