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The Mike Lull Club Part 3

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found this diggin' through an old box of pics.Yes, that's Mike.
if my memory serves me correctly, this was '93 or '94 at MIke's shop in Bellevue. This was pre Mike Lull's custom guitars when it was Mike Lull's guitar works. Swamp ash w/barts, bart tone ckt.,Smith bridge, reverse fender style tuners(not sure who's).
This bass served me well.Was my "go-to" for many years of heavy giging.( not as pretty any more, lots of dings and fades, but I still pick her up now and then just to give her some love and stroll down memory lane).
 

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Today I turned into an unexpected Lull owner. A friend of mine who works at Moog Audio in Montreal received his first order of Lulls today and I happened to stop by just after they'd arrived. I ended up spending the entire afternoon comparing two M5Vs - one with a Bartolini pre and the other with Aguilar electronics. I was completely blown away by both. At a certain point it became clear to me that I was going to have to buy one of them, it was simply a matter of which one. The Barts offered a wonderful low mid control while the Aguilar had some super fat low end and a compressed punch to the attack of each note that was phenomenal. I've never had such a difficult time choosing between two basses. At one point I was convinced I was going to go with the Bart-equipped bass but later changed my mind. A difficult decision as both instruments made me want to keep playing them for hours. Anyway, I'm very, very, impressed by these basses and would like to thank Andrew for bringing Lull to Montreal and being patient with me as I took my time getting to know each bass. :)
 
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found this diggin' through an old box of pics.Yes, that's Mike.
if my memory serves me correctly, this was '93 or '94 at MIke's shop in Bellevue. This was pre Mike Lull's custom guitars when it was Mike Lull's guitar works. Swamp ash w/barts, bart tone ckt.,Smith bridge, reverse fender style tuners(not sure who's).
This bass served me well.Was my "go-to" for many years of heavy giging.( not as pretty any more, lots of dings and fades, but I still pick her up now and then just to give her some love and stroll down memory lane).

I'm going to go with the time period and use the word "rad" to describe that pic. Thanks for sharing!
 
Today I turned into an unexpected Lull owner. A friend of mine who works at Moog Audio in Montreal received his first order of Lulls today and I happened to stop by just after they'd arrived. I ended up spending the entire afternoon comparing two M5Vs - one with a Bartolini pre and the other with Aguilar electronics. I was completely blown away by both. At a certain point it became clear to me that I was going to have to buy one of them, it was simply a matter of which one. The Barts offered a wonderful low mid control while the Aguilar had some super fat low end and a compressed punch to the attack of each note that was phenomenal. I've never had such a difficult time choosing between two basses. At one point I was convinced I was going to go with the Bart-equipped bass but later changed my mind. A difficult decision as both instruments made me want to keep playing them for hours. Anyway, I'm very, very, impressed by these basses and would like to thank Andrew for bringing Lull to Montreal and being patient with me as I took my time getting to know each bass. :)

Moog guy here (Non commission, part-time employee) It was really amazing that you happened to walk in 15 minutes after the first four Lulls arrived! And the shoot out between the two ash/maple M4V's was an incredible opportunity to hear two almost identically built basses with the similar pickups (standard single coil Lull/Duncans) with the only difference being the onboard preamp. My personal Lull M4 (an early 2006 model, Fralin/bart equipped serial number in the 800's) has no mid control at all, so until today I was completely unaware of how big a difference the push/pull mid control could have, and that the highs and lows were so different in the two preamps. I discovered with you today that the two eq's not only had different frequency bands in each range but also gave each instrument a different presence overall. According to Mike, The Bart was centred at 2.5 kHz, 800 khz/ 250hz, and 60hz. while the Aggie was 6.5Khz, 800Hz/ 400hz, and 40Hz.

the Bartolini equipped M5V had a great punch in the lower mids and a sweet growling tone with lots of air and woody attack, while the aggie had very deep punch and a modern attack in the treble. both basses seemed to sound identical in passive mode and in active mode with the eq's set flat.

The two eq's both seemed practical. to get the best of both worlds I'd recommend a Xotic BMC pedal (or any good quality outboard EQ pedal with a boost at 250Hz) for anyone with an Aguilar equipped bass, and an outboard Aguilar 2 band pre for anyone with a Bartolini equipped bass. (or any good eq with 30-40 hz, and 5-6 Khz) I use an older 2 band Sadowsky outboard preamp (in a true road rage true bypass loop) on my M4.

Mike says that generally pick and finger-style players choose the Bart preamp, and the Aguilar is generally favoured by slap players. I think that both sound great for slapping and fingerstyle, while a pick player would probably opt fo the bart (IMHO, YMMV,etc)

In fact I may even order an instrument from Mike with two preamps onboard: a three band Bartolini and a two band Aguilar, with two mini toggle switches to engage each preamp independently or in series... just a thought. (Mike is going to think I'm crazy) I'd stack the volume and blend on the first pot to make room for the extra bass/treble stacked-pots)

Now since neither of us has a membership number in this club yet, I'm just going to have to beat you to the punch and post a pick of my M4 right away...
 
Here is my M4 which is a 2006 Ash/maple in trans Blue. I believe it is equipped with Fralins, (definitely single coil pickups) and a bartolini 2 band eq with a passive vintage tone control.

this bass was ordered by music store called Rockin Robin. The original owner sold it to a friend of mine named Mat Powell who played in a McGill funk band called New Groove Orchestra. Matt is a fantastic player and can be seen on you tube slapping this bass with great skill here:

funky jazzy bass solo - YouTube



When he graduated and moved back to the US about three years ago he gave me an opportunity to buy it (having drooled over the bass many times at gigs where we shared the bandstand)


And here are some pics of the bass:
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and I snapped this one at NAMM2012 it's mike lending his personal P4 to Francis Rocco Prestia to use at a TC Electronic Demonstration clinic. tres cool to listen to Mike's stories about Willie Weeks, Rocco, Bryan Beller, Jeff Ament etc... such a great guy, totally laid back and a total class act.

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Can I join the club?
 
Is it actually possible to do that ?? :O

I have no idea if Mike would do it, but I imagine it is possible in theory. I'm sure Mike would have a good laugh at the thought.
It would probably be a huge up charge for the "pain in the a** factor" etc... but who knows! maybe one day there will be a "two preamps" club.
 
I have no idea if Mike would do it, but I imagine it is possible in theory. I'm sure Mike would have a good laugh at the thought.
It would probably be a huge up charge for the "pain in the a** factor" etc... but who knows! maybe one day there will be a "two preamps" club.

Actually, having given it more thought, the electronics on the TC4 and TC5 approach the versatility level in a simpler manner, with a switch engaged variable mid boost, and the coil splitting tends to naturally add the air of the bart pre in the 2.5khz range...

here is a link to the electronics layout on mike's site:

Mike Lull TC4 and TC5 bass controls:

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both basses seemed to sound identical in passive mode and in active mode with the eq's set flat.
I actually found that the basses sounded a bit different in active mode with the EQ set flat. The Aguilar equipped M5V had that compressed low end punch on on the attack of each note - it just sort of jumped out in a different way from the punch of the Bart equipped M5V. But, to be honest, it took me a while of A/B-ing the two basses to pinpoint the difference. I'm not sure if the sound "flat" should be attributed to the preamps or simply the basses themselves. Anyway, thanks again for being so patient with me, Andrew! (droskobass was kind enough to grant my request of a blindfolded test so I could try to decide between the two M5Vs and was happy to bear with me as I kept changing my mind about which Lull was my favourite!).
 
I'm back as a subscriber, not an owner (yet). I've had an itch to scratch for a while now, and I think I am almost in the position to do something about it. I've been wanting to try Nordstrand Fat Stacks in an active jazz for a while now, and can never seem to find a used one in the wild at the time I have fundage. I've approached Carey's shop to see if I wanted to do a custom build, but he recently raised his prices by about $1000, which took me out of the running to do that (at least, I have my limits). Then I remembered Mike's TC4, that it has the Nordstrand big splits and an Aggie pre. I doubt there are that many out there in the world, I will go back thru the thread and check out the sound clips I think I saw posted, but if anyone has any commentary on the TC4 (or 5s for that matter, although I play 4s) or on the slight chance that anyone is thinking of selling one, I'd be very interested. I've received good advice from this club in the past.
 
I just bought a used (mint condition) Lull M5V. It's ash/maple, clear gloss finish, with a bart preamp. However, I already have a Lull passive V4 that's also ash/maple with clear gloss finish. Now my two Lull's are way more similar to each other than I'd like. So I'd like to trade my V4 for a passive P4 (alder/rosewood) so that I'll have more versatility and contrast from my M5V. My V4 is in incredible condition, and plays like a dream. It even has a quartersawn maple neck, which was a $200 upcharge. I'm the only owner it's ever had, and I got it brand new last September.

I'd be willing to do a straight-up trade with my V4 for a passive alder/rosewood Lull P4, as long as it was also in excellent condition. If any of you guys can help me make this happen, it would be much appreciated. The only reason I'm willing to part ways with my V4 is because I want something that's more different from my new M5V. I've atttached pics of my V4.
 

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Order in today.
Now the wait begins.
Took the plunge with a TC4 ash/rosewood, in a unique color I would love to see how Mike will pull off. Rest is pretty stock: Fat Stacks, Aggie Pre. Jazz bass on steriods.
The waiting is the hardest part...
 
Order in today.
Now the wait begins.
Took the plunge with a TC4 ash/rosewood, in a unique color I would love to see how Mike will pull off. Rest is pretty stock: Fat Stacks, Aggie Pre. Jazz bass on steriods.
The waiting is the hardest part...

Congrats, sounds like a really great bass. I've been thinking about something similar but with Nordy double coils. I've really been digging the tone of ash/rosewood lately.
 
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