The Official Schroeder Club

[::::BASSIST::::]

Definitely a 4 ohm single cab. You are still going to encounter stairs and other obstacles where you might need to lift your rig. Therefore 2 cabs for your situation would not be good IMO. I think a single mini 12L (4 ohm) is what you are after.

I would also say that from my experience the LMII (LMIII) is the best lightweight amp for a schroe.

I know this is a schroeder thread, but something else you should seriously consider is the markbass cmd121p combo. Its 29 LBS with cab and amp combined. If you go seperate cab and amp the LMII is going to approach 10LBS once you factor in the cables, amp bag, tuner etc. With the combo you save weight. AND you can always add another 8 ohm cab if you can get assistance. Many TBers have been very impressed with the MB cmd121p. My opinion is that it sounds better (much fuller and warmer) than the schroe mini 12 cabs. I've owned both.

Edit: Just to add that two 8 ohm cabs will sound much fuller and louder than a single 4 ohm cab (assuming they are all the same cab). Also be weary of published weight specs of cabs. They are often wrong.

 

[loopee]

Thanks BASSIST - That's exactly what I needed and wanted to hear. I tried the MB although it was the smallest combo and not the 121P and know that it's warmer than the GB but I found the GB more versatile but the Shuttle 6-12T combo is 32 lbs which is just a bit over what I want to carry (I do have a dolly but still have to lift it in the car or up stairs). The MB keeps coming back into my head even though I had decided on the GB. I have one on order at Tom Lee's in Langley (I'm in Surrey). It should arrive in 2or so weeks so I'll make up my mind then. But I've been going back and forth between the MB and the GB for weeks now. I still prefer having a tube preamp but I think the MB is going to win the war and as you say, I can always get another cab if I need one and I probably will because I hear that the LMII is not all that loud, the GB is louder so if I want the loudest for the least weight then the GB Shuttle 6.0-12T is 32lbs versus the MB (29lbs + ext. cab 20lbs and two trips). Then the GB is the one. Now you see my dilemma......I can't afford both rigs...darnit.....but now I have a GK MB150S with ext. cab and it's not powerful enough and altogether weighs over 40lbs. Really nice little amp and has served me well up until I started playing with a loud drummer and guitarist, and it doesn't seem to matter how many times I ask him to turn down, it's always back to being loud. So which bands are you in BASSIST? Maybe I've seen you play since I'm in Vancouver also.

 

[Ezbass]

I probably will because I hear that the LMII is not all that loud

I played with my LMII wide open once, just once! I play in a loud 7 piece covers band and I've never needed to have the master beyond 11 o'clock. The LMII also stays clean all the way up I have found. Schro + MB =

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

Thanks BASSIST - That's exactly what I needed and wanted to hear. I tried the MB although it was the smallest combo and not the 121P and know that it's warmer than the GB but I found the GB more versatile but the Shuttle 6-12T combo is 32 lbs which is just a bit over what I want to carry (I do have a dolly but still have to lift it in the car or up stairs). The MB keeps coming back into my head even though I had decided on the GB. I have one on order at Tom Lee's in Langley (I'm in Surrey). It should arrive in 2or so weeks so I'll make up my mind then. But I've been going back and forth between the MB and the GB for weeks now. I still prefer having a tube preamp but I think the MB is going to win the war and as you say, I can always get another cab if I need one and I probably will because I hear that the LMII is not all that loud, the GB is louder so if I want the loudest for the least weight then the GB Shuttle 6.0-12T is 32lbs versus the MB (29lbs + ext. cab 20lbs and two trips). Then the GB is the one. Now you see my dilemma......I can't afford both rigs...darnit.....but now I have a GK MB150S with ext. cab and it's not powerful enough and altogether weighs over 40lbs. Really nice little amp and has served me well up until I started playing with a loud drummer and guitarist, and it doesn't seem to matter how many times I ask him to turn down, it's always back to being loud. So which bands are you in BASSIST? Maybe I've seen you play since I'm in Vancouver also.

I've owned the shuttle 6.0 and still love and have my LMII. The good news is that the LMII is definitely louder. Especially when used with an 8 ohm cab. Having owned the cmd121p I can tell you that that combo is loud enough for any typical pub in our area. If you are playing the bigger clubs they all have PA support anyway, so no worries. The cmd121p is the loudest combo I've heard for being that sized. Quite powerful. The drawback with that combo is that you will never get a big 'wall of sound' behind you. But you cant have it all I guess. Its a great combo. A single schroe 4 ohm will likely be louder since its drawing the full 4 ohms from the amp, but I think the cmd121p just sounds better.

I play in two bands currently. The Doors trib in my signature and Dick Cash, a roots rock & rockabilly trio.

Good luck on your search.

 

[loopee]

Thanks BASSIST. Well, I guess the only thing for me to do is get the MB combo and add an 8ohm Shroe if I need one. But I still like the tone of the GB Shuttle 6.0. I play blues and classic rock. Which one do you think is best? The MB or GB?
Louise

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

Well, they are both good but just different flavours of good. They both have positives and negatives. The GB has better features like DI, parametric eq, clickable eq knobs etc. However, the LMII has the VLE which is fantastic. Also, the new LMIII has a better DI etc so that is something to consider. I like a clean, warm amp and to my taste the LMII does that better than the GB 6.0. The LMII is definitely louder... especially at 8 ohms. Its also deeper and warmer. I could get a beautiful tone with the shuttle, but to do it, I had to set the eq in such a way that it ate up alot of the headroom. At the time my main cab was a UL115 (8ohm) and I could feel the need for more power with that cab and the shuttle. With the LMII and the same cab I had all the power I needed. One other note is that when I tried out my shuttle 6 and my schroe 1212R I found the tone definitely lacking. This is because both of these units is not strong in the lows. So when combined the sound was somewhat hollow and not full sounding to my ears. So IMO schroeder and the shuttle is not the best combination. The LMII and schroe cabs go very well together. Actually, in my opinion, the schroes work best with very thick and warm amps like the eden wt400 or mesa walkabout. These amps really make schroes sound much fuller.

One other thing is to be careful about mixing and matching cabs. Sometimes they dont sound that great together. If at all possible its best to use 2 of the exact same cab. I believe there is an ext cab for the cmd121p.

This is all just my own opinion so keep that in mind.

If I were you I'd head down to Long and McQuade and buy a cmd121p. They have a 30 day no hassle return policy. Use that combo with your band in practices and gigs and see if its what you need. If it doesnt float your boat just return it within 30 days. You'd probably save some cash by buying it on the TB classifieds. My feeling is there really is no better small combo out there that can still keep up in a band situation and be so portable.

 

[stoneboy26]

Dude, let it go. It's ok, really. And chicks could care less about the size of your bass rig.

Yeah - but here in Australia most people still look at you strange when you don't haul in an Ampeg or GK rig!


Given I can get amp, cab, 2 or 3 basses, rack and pedalboard plus my case of goodies and a guitar stand in to a show in 2-3 trips without the use of a trolley I am mighty happy.

Which is why I got the LMII and the Schroeder cabs - I can get a gigable setup (bass, amp and cab) into a venue in 1 trip if necessary.

And honestly - I don't really give 2 hoots what anyone thinks of my rig as I know it sounds great, and while I am the one loading in and out I want it to be as easy as possible.

You outta see what my guitarist carries in just for rehearsal!!

 

[rustynuts]

Looking for a little help here guys. Right now I have two MarkBass heads in the rack, a TA501 and an LMII.

My main cabinet is a 410R and I want to add some flexibility to the whole thing so I'm looking to add a 210/212/1012 (4 ohm) so that I can:

A) Run both heads and both cabs, one for a clean channel and the other for an effects channel, often concurrently.
B) Run only the 410R and the TA501, or
C) Toss the LMII and the smaller cab in the back seat and go.

My main concern is running everything together. Which of the smaller cabs would be a good mate to the 410R with the two MB heads? I'm not really concerned about regular vs light. Twelve additional pounds I can handle if necessary.

 

[Ezbass]

Looking for a little help here guys. Right now I have two MarkBass heads in the rack, a TA501 and an LMII.

My main cabinet is a 410R and I want to add some flexibility to the whole thing so I'm looking to add a 210/212/1012 (4 ohm) so that I can:

A) Run both heads and both cabs, one for a clean channel and the other for an effects channel, often concurrently.
B) Run only the 410R and the TA501, or
C) Toss the LMII and the smaller cab in the back seat and go.

My main concern is running everything together. Which of the smaller cabs would be a good mate to the 410R with the two MB heads? I'm not really concerned about regular vs light. Twelve additional pounds I can handle if necessary.

Definitely have a word with Jorg (if you haven't already) as I guess he's the guy who would best placed to match cabs.

 

[loopee]

Thanks guys. BASSIST I've really appreciated all your opinions. Very wise. I've ordered a CMD121P from Long & McQuade Friday morning even before I read your last reply. The GB will be arriving at Tom Lee's around the same time the MB will. I might rent both for a month and A/B them. That'll probably be the best way to tell which one I prefer. Still wish I could afford both, but can't have it all.....thanks a lot for all your input.
Louise

 

[chrisp2u]

Anyone have a 21012L that they'd think about unloading? I've been on a quest for cab, and this seems like it's the ticket for my LMII.

Thanks,
Chris

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

Thanks guys. BASSIST I've really appreciated all your opinions. Very wise. I've ordered a CMD121P from Long & McQuade Friday morning even before I read your last reply. The GB will be arriving at Tom Lee's around the same time the MB will. I might rent both for a month and A/B them. That'll probably be the best way to tell which one I prefer. Still wish I could afford both, but can't have it all.....thanks a lot for all your input.
Louise

Glad to help. As I said they are both great products. Its more a matter of personal taste than anything.

 

[Musicman20]

Apologies for being a newbie to Shroeder cabs...but what advantages do they have over say Epifani / Berg?

Im tempted to get a 1212 Lightweight....just for something different. Itll be my first venture into lightweigh cabs so I want something AWESOME.

Itll be running A) My new lightweight head (will be a Shuttlemax 6, or LM3, or LMTube 800) and my favourite tube amp my Orange AD200b Mk3.

Any views?

 

[rustynuts]

Woohoo! Just ordered a 1210 L from Music123. They're running a 20% off phone sales orders only, the item has to be in stock and ready to ship. Regular price is $819 with $10 additional shipping charge but I got them to waive the shipping fee (wasn't hard at all) and my total cost was $655.20. I've seen used ones going for really close to that amount.

I'm psyched!

 

[Ezbass]

Woohoo! Just ordered a 1210 L from Music123. They're running a 20% off phone sales orders only, the item has to be in stock and ready to ship. Regular price is $819 with $10 additional shipping charge but I got them to waive the shipping fee (wasn't hard at all) and my total cost was $655.20. I've seen used ones going for really close to that amount.

I'm psyched!

Nothing like a bargain to help make a purchase decision! Nice score. You will of course let us know how that works out with the heads and the 410.

 

[rustynuts]

Of course.

The decision was made easy by the fact that the 1210L was the only one of my options that they had in stock. The others were all special order items with waits of up to thirty days.

And at that price, if it doesn't do what I need it to do I won't be out much if I decide to flip it.

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

Apologies for being a newbie to Shroeder cabs...but what advantages do they have over say Epifani / Berg?

Im tempted to get a 1212 Lightweight....just for something different. Itll be my first venture into lightweigh cabs so I want something AWESOME.

Itll be running A) My new lightweight head (will be a Shuttlemax 6, or LM3, or LMTube 800) and my favourite tube amp my Orange AD200b Mk3.

Any views?

I'd recommend one of the new 2x12 front firing UA cabs paired up with the Markbass LMtube 800 or LMIII etc. That would sound awesome.

Shuttles are not the greatest match for schroes IMO.

As to advantages? Very unique sound. Nothing sounds like a schroeder. They have a very present low mid bump that really excels at cutting thru a dense mix. If I had the cash I'd get me another one.

 

[nad]

Apologies for being a newbie to Shroeder cabs...but what advantages do they have over say Epifani / Berg

Having used all three at some point, and only keeping a Schroeder for any great length of time, I would not call it an advantage as much as I would say difference. Schroeders have extremely aggressive mids that stick out very well in a mix. Epifani are pretty clear and even sounding, with Bergantino landing somewhere between the two with nice mids but decent clarity at the same time.

Depending on your tastes, I'd say you can't go wrong with any of the three, but one may be more right for you, if that makes sense.

 

[Kirk P Brosius]

Hey rustynuts,

This is just a bit OT but, do you really run your VPF wide open on the 501?

Kirk

 

[rustynuts]

Wow, good eye! Yes, depending on the bass in hand it's either about half way or full up.