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The Real Reason Why Bands Play the Same Old Tired Covers

If they're looking for an excuse to have a good time, and you're finding an excuse not to, who's really living more rock n roll?

Oh, they are, definitely. I don't drink and barely listen to rock music at all anymore unless I'm playing it. I haven't put on a whole rock album for pleasure listening in years. I'm about as far from living rock and roll as you can get. But I think a lot of that is because I haven't really been inspired by any new rock and roll in a very long time, plus I'm bored of the old stuff. I can't rememeber the last new band I heard that made me want to own a copy of their stuff. Maybe the odd new song here or there might catch my attention, but I couldn't begin to tell you what kids are listening to. Any time I actually hear what they're listening to I can't help but feel they have been deprived. Some kid told me Alice in Chains was his father's music. Even some early Foo Fighters was considered "old". I got to thinking about that, Alice in Chains best years were in the early 90s, and that's before some of the kids making and listening to current rock music were even born. You know you're getting old when Alice in Chains is considered old people's music.
 
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If I understand the OP correctly, I have to agree. There are lots of covers that can be done that are interesting and, for the most part, recognizable. I've always thought that Sly & the Family Stone were underrepresented in cover bands, and even lesser-known Beatles tunes ("I'm Only Sleeping" could KILL in a softer acoustic set.)
I filled in for a band that ended their show with three songs in a row from Abbey Road in album order: Golden Slumbers, Carry That Weight, and the End. Their show was packed, with a large representation of older folks. This was one of the highlights of the night, much more than if we did 'Twist and Shout'. Sure, it took a little more effort on our part to pull it off, but it was well worth it. This band had a good following because they did stuff like this.
 
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Oh, they are, definitely. I don't drink and barely listen to rock music at all anymore unless I'm playing it. I haven't put on a whole rock album for pleasure listening in years. I'm about as far from living rock and roll as you can get. But I think a lot of that is because I haven't really been inspired by any new rock and roll in a very long time, plus I'm bored of the old stuff. I can't rememeber the last new band I heard that made me want to own a copy of their stuff. Maybe the odd new song here or there might catch my attention, but I couldn't begin to tell you what kids are listening to. Any time I actually hear what they're listening to I can't help but feel they have been deprived. Some kid told me Alice in Chains was his father's music. Even some early Foo Fighters was considered "old". I got to thinking about that, Alice in Chains best years were in the early 90s, and that's before some of the kids making and listening to current rock music were even born. You know you're getting old when Alice in Chains is considered old people's music.

I meant more 'rock n roll' as an analogy for a fun, carefree spirit, not the music. Not the goddawful, samey music.

I feel like a man without a country. I don't even really disagree with you, so much of the music is really, really terrible. But I'm also really sick of being the guy at the back of the room not dancing, resenting everybody else's good time (especially if I'm doing that on stage).
 
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I filled in for a band that ended their show with three songs in a row from Abbey Road in album order: Golden Slumbers, Carry That Weight, and the End. Their show was packed, with a large representation of older folks. This was one of the highlights of the night, much more than if we did 'Twist and Shout'. Sure, it took a little more effort on our part to pull it off, but it was well worth it. This band had a good following because they did stuff like this.

This is a perfect example of a band that wants to push the limits a bit and not play the same old poopie. Yes, it is less well known, but if it's pulled off correctly then it will be a hit.

My last band, which was nominally supposed to be an originals band, played covers as well. Fortunately, some of those songs weren't things you heard on the radio much, if at all. For example:

ZZ Top - Balinese
Skynard - Needle and a Spoon
The Coasters - Poison Ivy
The Eagles - Those Shoes
Stones - Dead Flowers

I never hear those songs on the radio (well, maybe the last two on occasion, but so rare), but the crowd loved them. If I asked another band that did rock covers to play one song by those 5 groups, might look something like this:

ZZ Top - La Grange
Skynard - Sweet Home Alabama
The Coasters - I doubt anyone would even have these guys in their songbook, but maybe Young Blood
The Eagles - Hotel California
Stones - Jumpin' Jack Flash

I agree 100% with Jive's initial post. There is a deep laziness in picking songs, and in how they are presented. The audience wants songs they can dance to, and maybe even sing to when they are in their cups, but I have seen more then my fair share of people dancing to songs they don't even know. At the same time, bands need to be seen having fun playing those songs. If you are playing Hotel California for the thousandth time, you should look like you are playing it for the first time. I'm not saying that cover bands should throw their songbook out the window, but at the very least shake it up a bit.

Maybe there is an opportunity to see what they want. If a cover band uses social media, perhaps post a request for songs from the fans? Get people involved and see what happens. Maybe the general consensus is on the same old songs, but maybe there are some diamonds in the rough that a few people want to hear.
 
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I play in an acoustic/electric trio and play some of those "tired songs" because our audience wants to hear....Mustang, Sweet Home and Hit Me w/Your Best Shot.....but we also play Happy from Pharrell, All About That Bass by Trainor, Hotel California, Wagon Wheel and Don't Stop Believin. We are all older (100 yrs performance experience between us) practice weekly and learn at least one new song per rehearsal. I play for the audience first then for me. Maybe that's why we gig every week. Sometimes it just comes down to what people want to hear. Lazy=stagnant IMHO
 
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The real reason why bands play the same old tired covers? Lazy musicians. Over the years, I have been surprised at how many musicians cannot put in the time to learn a tune. It could be that they don't have time, don't have the ability, don't want to learn one for whatever reason, think they can wing it, etc. But, in the end, they don't learn the tune, so we have to punt and do a tired-old cover instead because everyone already knows it.

There's lots of older, experienced musicians who still play the same stuff that they played decades ago and think that Bon Jovi is modern rock. There's guys who think they can wing it, and it can work until you get the bridge that follows a different chord progression. There's guys who think a song is just 3 chords, so they don't bother to learn the harmonies, dynamic changes, etc. because they think it's easy. Yes, it's easy, but you can still suck at it. There's players who don't even touch their instrument outside of a practice or gig. And I can go on and on about the various issues, but it still comes down to effort, and there's lots of musicians who won't put in the effort.

Luckily, in my current band through some lineup changes, we have folks who will actually learn a tune. What I've learned is that there's lots of covers that aren't being played that go over well. It's just that you need to spend a little time listening to the tune and learning it. And it's usually not a tune you learned in the garage 20 years ago. No-one specifically requests Brown Eyed Girl, Mustang Sally, Sweet Home Alabama, and lots of other tired covers from my band. Although we could do those tunes, none of them go over as well as the songs that lots of cover bands don't do that we do such as 'Impression That I Get' by the Bosstones or Reel Big Fish's version of 'Take On Me'.

And outside of my band, I've seen several examples too. Although 'American Girl' and 'Free Falling' by Tom Petty go over well, so does 'Running Down a Dream', 'Don't Do Me Like That', and 'The Waiting'. The way bands cover Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, Beatles, Skynyrd, and other iconic Classic Rock Bands, you'd think they only had 2-3 hit songs. But they actually had a bunch of them, but too many bands gravitate towards the 1-2 easiest songs they do. And even though Steely Dan had a bunch of radio hits, very few bands play their material because it takes some effort to learn. Actually, there's lots of hit songs that would go over well that are left on the table because people won't bother learning it.

Musicians put a lot of blame on the audiences, and sure they are part of the equation, but I don't buy it that it's the majority of the problem. The tired covers are like McDonalds, people eat there because it's convenient, cheap, and they know what to expect. But, it's rarely their favorite place to eat. I've heard plenty of musicians complain about apathetic audiences, but if you're being lazy and apathetic, they will pick up on that. Expecting audiences to be passionate about your apathy is pretty narcissistic and unrealistic, IMO. Although I've seen some non-tired covers clear a floor, I've seen so many of them work out well that I feel they are worthwhile doing. A song can be a hit, recognizable, and easy to dance to without being one that every band does.

In addition to lazy musicians, lazy and unimaginative promoters and booking agents contribute to the phenomena I call "same band, different name". Booking agents especially tend to be more conservative in their dealings and are loathe to take risks. For example, even though Modern Country has become mainstream and audiences are craving it, most booking agents will book another 80s-90s Rock cover band over a solid Country act.

Anyway, that's my rant.

Amen, brother! Preach it!

One of the several reasons why I don't perform cover material anymore is that I can't deal with the cover band subculture and attitude. So many players just want to phone it in, it becomes antithetical to the very spirit of music itself. Other than earning some chump change, what's the point? You become a human jukebox, not a musician.

Years ago, when I was doing the cover band thing, I was always the one in the band urging the others to think just a little outside of the box, i.e. select and prepare some of the slightly deeper cuts of the famous bands we were covering, stuff that the audience knows but almost never hears being performed live. So you want to play Steely Dan? Let's skip "Reelin' in the Years' (please), and take a run at "Josie" or "FM" or "Night By Night" instead. Want to do some Beatles tunes? Great. I suggest "Hey Bulldog" or "Everybody's Got Something To Hide (Except For Me And My Monkey").

But no. I would get the very same B.S. crap pushback as you did: 'Audiences don't want to hear that stuff', or 'it's too hard', or 'the club owners won't like it', and a million and one other lame excuses. How do you know audiences won't want to hear it? Nobody ever gives them even a chance to hear it! How do you know that it's too hard to learn? You haven't even given it a try! How do you know the club owners won't like it? They'll like whatever the audiences like!

How can you call yourselves musicians if you have no imagination and no creativity? Why don't you just go sell flowers to motorists at traffic circles instead, and leave the music to actual musicians who are willing to behave like real musicians?

MM
 
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We have managed to find songs that people love, but aren't the same easy songs.

Aerosmith- Train Kept a'Rolling, Ten Inch Record, Sweet Emotion
Beatles - Yer Blues, While my Guitar Gently Weeps, Don't Let me Down, Oh! Darling (we used to do Revolution)
Zeppelin - Whole Lotta Love (we used to do The Ocean, Bring it on Home, Thank You and Babe I'm Gonna Leave You) sometimes Rock and Roll, but we actually play it right, and it's because of non-stop love from the audience
Jimi - Voodoo Child (slight return)
Pink Floyd - Money, Comfortably Numb
Lynyrd Skynyrd - I Know a Little, Freebird (no way we will ever play Sweet Home Alabama, Simple Man, Tuesday's Gone or Gimme Three Steps)
Rolling Stones - Miss You
Allman Brothers - Whipping Post
Foghat - Slow Ride
Rick Derringer - Rock and Roll Hoochie Coo
AC/DC - Kicked in the Teeth, It's a Long Way to the Top
Joe Walsh - Rocky Mountain Way
Uriah Heep - Stealin'

What many of these songs have in common are time changes, a need for vocal harmony, difficult lead vocals, distinctive instrumental parts, and a lot of changes. For me, it's a lot more fun to play any of those than the more straightforward stuff, but we throw in some of that as well, such as Rocking in the Free World, Hate Myself for Lovin' You, One Way or Another, etc.

The biggest thing is, there is nothing on the setlist that at least one or more of us doesn't absolutely LOVE, and that enthusiasm plays a big part in selling the song.
Most of that list would be considered standard classic rock around my town. Go figure.
 
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The real reason why bands play the same old tired covers? Lazy musicians. Over the years, I have been surprised at how many musicians cannot put in the time to learn a tune.

I have to disagree. Bands play the same old tired covers because audiences want to hear them.

At this year's Halloween party gig filling in with a friend's band, we got the usual request for Mustang Sally and played it (it was not on the set list). Hey I love Mustang Sally (still floor the gas pedal when the Wilson Pickett version comes on the car radio) and I love playing it...when everyone is into it. No sense playing a song the musicians are phoning in.

By the way, we mainly did a lot of covers that you seldom hear...someone in the band has a serious New Orleans jones so we did Mardi Gras Mambo, Big Chief and Hello, Josephine which was a blast. I had to learn over a dozen tunes from the likes of Stevie Wonder, Van Morrison and Bob Marley. Even the blues covers were fresh, Tommy Castro was new to me.

Not all cover bands are lazy. I was in one for seven years that rehearsed every Monday night to add new tunes and polish up shaky ones. When we disbanded we had a repertoire of over 400 songs that were in steady rotation. I still play with those guys in various configurations a few times a year and we are always reaching back into that list at gigs.

I also play in a Bob Dylan Birthday revue every year (been well over a decade now) where a bunch of local folkies team up to do their favorite Zimmerman classics. I have learned a ton of Dylan tunes and every year I learn still more. We do have a few favorites we do all the time...It's All Over Now Baby Blue has been our usual night closer...but every show 50% or more of the sets are tunes we have never done before.
 
Mmmmm Does anyone recognise this senario..
"All the bands play the same old songs..why does no-one play something different?" .....comes the cry from all the bars, pubs and clubs.
"That is a great idea, i will form a band and play different songs rather than the same old covers"

So the band is formed and the gigs set up, they even write some originals, and the band plays and after a month or so bookings become less and numbers rather than grow...fall and rhe band gets a rep for being not popular and splits.

"I can't understand it, the band was great, the music was great...but no-one comes along and supports us." says the musicians trying to work out where they went wrong.

"Well that's because you do not play music the audience knows and likes.".... comes the advice from all the bars, pubs and clubs.
Sort of dammed of you do....dammed of you don't.......sometimes its nothing to do with a "lazy band" or musicians......but more to do with lazy audience set in there ways.
 
Jive . I agree. My biggest rant over the years is lazy musicians.
I love learning new stuff.
Most audiences aren't that sophisticated when it comes to music,true
but a band can be flexible enough to play a great variety.
My buddies band does it. From Elvis to Beyoncé.
 
Tough balance. Some songs you have to play, but there is no excuse for not keeping a portion of your setlist changing and fresh. When joined a new band recently, I had to learn 48 songs in two weeks. Pat of the fun is (or should be) learning new stuff and new arrangements.

One place I played had to do Sweet Home - the owner loved it. So we threw it in a medley with Werewolves of London and the Kid Rock tune.
 
I posted this in another thread but it applies here so I will just copy/paste what I wrote:

I have learned two things in the pas twelve years of playing in cover bands:

1) You can never predict what a crowd is going to like. Never. Period.
2) You seriously can get away with playing a LOT of songs that YOU like. Because if YOU like these songs, chances are someone else will ALSO like these songs. Which goes back to my first point.

My old rockabilly band did a drum/bass rap song for an encore, people loved it. We did a few songs none of us believed in (fillers) and they were crowd favourites.

My old blues band played James Brown's "It's A Mans Mans Mans World" and Neil Young's "Cortez The Killer" and a slew of songs no one heard of, amidst a handful of "hit songs" which weren't even all that mainstream. People loved us and we got great gigs.

My soon-to-be-ex-band plays top 40 stuff and we can hardly catch a cold.

Don't assume that you know what anyone else will want to hear. Start with what you love, play from the heart and take it from there.
 
I agree with Jive about lazy musician syndrome. I also agree with the comments about bar patrons wanting to hear the same old over played covers. It's likely due to a combination of factors. Our band can do about 100 songs. Yet we play the same 40 or 50 over and over because certain band members don't take the time to rehearse the songs on their own and can't remember the words and so repeatedly pull the same songs out of their bag of tricks. In the meantime, I practice all 100 songs regularly and can play any of 'em. In doing so, I'm probably just wasting my time.
 
While I think your point has some validity - many musicians are indeed lazy - I've worked with my fair share and at times I've been lazy too - to paint everyone who plays the standard repertoire as lazy is a painting with far too broad a brush.
As others have said in this thread there are many reasons why people play the same songs, not the least of which is they are indeed the songs the audience wants to hear.
If I had my way I'd get to play all kinds of adventerous and obscure stuff, 'cause that's what I like, but you know what? I would never get a second gig as the audiences in most bars don't want to hear it! If you are in the least bit correct and musicians are lazy about the music they pick, well the general public is even more lazy in its tastes and they want to hear WHAT THEY KNOW! I was in a country band for many years and we played weekly at a number of bars in the area. We made a point of having at least two new songs every time we played a place so that with those tow new ones and two old ones taken out there would be some variety, and over a few gigs the set list would be considerably changed. You know what? The audiences didn't care. They never applauded new material, and they kept requesting the same old crap - I mean OLD CRAP - this was the early 90s and when they weren't asking for the third replay of "Achy-Breaky Heart", they were asking for 50s chestnuts like Crystal Chandeliers and the best of Hank Sr.
Every music style and era has its canon and what we call the "same old covers" is it! Don't assume everyone who plays what is required is doing so because they don't care.
Do you have a day job? Are there any tasks you are required to do on a daily/weekly basis that are necessary but which are far from taxing you skills and creativity? That doesn't mean you are lazy - you are doing your job, same here.
 
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Exactly, I'm not talking about obscure covers or overly technical songs, I'm talking about hit songs that are dance tunes. There's a lot of them, and a lot of them are left on the table. We treat iconic Rock bands as if they were one hit wonders.
In the eyes of the general public, most of them are.
I was going to add this to my other post, but it was getting long. What I said about playing the canon does not mean you can't and shouldn't slip in some cool less familiar songs by the greats and not so greats, this is what makes playing interesting to you and the audience, but in my years of playing (going on 25 next years next year) I've never actually played in or seen a band that only did the same old covers. Even when I was in a Elvis tribute band and paid attention to what other tribute bands were playing I was always surprized by the variety in material bands/singers chose and how many of the "obvious songs" they were just as likely NOT to cover as play.
 
Disclaimer: I am a certified cover band musician playing mostly R&B, Soul, Funk, Disco, Motown and other Top40 pop music.

Obscure to me means not charted. It's gotta be familiar to the masses. Sometimes a song may have charted but it's just not a great song to perform. Example: A band I was in, the BL wanted to do 'Lost In Music' by Chic instead of a more familiar tune like 'We Are Family', He's The Greatest Dancer' or 'I Want Your Love'! Why 'Lost In Music'? I just didn't get it. We played it a few times and folks just looked at us! We ended up learning and playing the others I mentioned and the floor stayed packed. Know your demographic and don't try to force music on them expecting them to like it.

Just my opinion and from over 40 years experience as a cover band musician.
 
This post shows a lack of understanding of the music business. A smart band plays the tunes the audience wants to hear. What really bothers me is arrogant musicians that think they have some cosmic understanding of how music should be and bad mouth anyone that doesn't see the world their way.

I was going to post something similar, but I'll just be a lazy a$$ and quote your post and give you a +1.

Throw in a few songs for the band to keep things interesting, but you have to play what the crowd wants to hear and usually you have to play it better than the actual band plays it when they tour. Your yard stick with the crowd is how the song sounds on the jukebox, radio, iphone.