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The Soundgear Club

I used to own an SR506. Great construction and nice thin profile neck, but the electronics were lacking. I sold it to a friend a few years ago.

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A few months ago, my wife got the bug to learn bass. This happens every few years and usually results in me winding up with another bass, that is "hers", but she never plays.

So, she picked out this lovely SR400EPBDX. Like the SR506 I used to own, it has excellent fit & finish. Unlike my old Soundgear, this thing sounds amazing! Great preamp, lots of tonal variety, and very nice little bass. The neck is a little bit chunkier than other Soundgears I've played, but still pretty thin.

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I have something much like this, though I thinkthe pickups are P/J configuration. Still the 3 band EQ. Bought it for $100 off the used rack at Guitar Center.

I have used it very little as I'm mostly an upright player, but I put Rotosound strings on it and I use it on rare occasions with "my" Americana/folk/etc. band when a rockish gnarly sound is needed. I think it's a great little bass for the money. As an upright player, the obsession with thin bass necks make me scratch my head.
 
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I recently scored that Soundgear SR4600 (the orange bass) from a fellow TBer and I think I've finally found my Excalibur. (In the past I've had more Soundgear basses pass through my hands than any other and they've all been fantastic. Unfortunately, because of GAS-pains and immature "hipster" mentality of wanting something different, not ubiquitous as I see Soundgears in the wild as often as Fender/FSO basses, I was often too stupid to realize that Soundgears really are "the one" for me. But better late than never).

Dig this... I used to not be that big a Bartolini fan. I often thought they sounded too polite. But the Bartolini's on my Soundgear bark like a vicious rottweiler. Even in passive mode, they're pretty loud. The preamp is great too (and I've been lukewarm on Ibanez preamps in the past). So this bass is changing my mind. It's the TalkBass mantra of "let your ears and hands guide you" to the right bass and not the names and labels you see.
I'd love to find the 5 string version of this.
 
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@who Yeah the orange 4600 and 4605s are rare beasts. I can't believe I have one.

@Bassplayer1586 My prior experience with US Bartolinis was in a modded Carvin SB5000 I used to have with a John East J Retro Deluxe Pre and Bartolini 59CBJDs. Excellent stuff, but no matter what I did, I couldn't get "my" sound. The Barts and preamp in my SR4600, on the other hand, bring the heat (I like a spicy pickup). I'm like, "Okay, Bartolini. I see you."

And I kinda like the MK1 Barts. An old SR905 I used to have had 'em and with a set of DR Fat Beams, growled like a beast. I daresay I like the MK1 Bart soapbars better than any EMG soapbar I've tried. (I've tried the HZ and the DC in various basses).

When it comes to pickups, I consider myself a Seymour Duncan fan, but go figure, my favorite Duncan soapbars that came stock in a bass I used to own were too "polite" so it just goes to show- trust my ears.

This is a cool video where a guy with an SR4605 uses the preamp to get pretty dang close to a Spector tone. And one of the comments mentions their preamp settings for a good 70s disco tone.
 
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I am getting old, only play P , J and PJ bass...... but , SRMS725 makes my mind young .... :cool:

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Hello,
just saw that Ibanez is releasing a new 18 mm SR model in November, the SR 1455 DW with the Aguilar DCB. To anyone who plays one of the previous models: How do you rate the sound characteristics of the DCB compared to the Big Singles? Another question concerns the string spacing: like the 16.5 mm models, the 18 mm basses have the Atlas 5 neck with a 45 mm nut. How big is the difference when switching between the two models (muscle memory...)? Thanks in advance.
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Hello,
just saw that Ibanez is releasing a new 18 mm SR model in November, the SR 1455 DW with the Aguilar DCB. To anyone who plays one of the previous models: How do you rate the sound characteristics of the DCB compared to the Big Singles? Another question concerns the string spacing: like the 16.5 mm models, the 18 mm basses have the Atlas 5 neck with a 45 mm nut. How big is the difference when switching between the two models (muscle memory...)? Thanks in advance.
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I have an SR1805 (5-string) and an SR1346B (6 string). They both came with Big Singles stock. I tried playing them for awhile with the Big Singles and although they had a lot of clarity, they were very aggressive sounding in the upper mids/lower treble to me. Also, since I like to solo pickups, I wasn't too keen dealing with single coil hum. Honestly in a good (i.e. not electrically noisy) environment, that would be only a minor issue, they're decently quiet in that case, but the tonal character was not really for me. If you play heavy music and really want to cut through the mix, I would say that the Big Singles do that well. In my case, playing mostly jazz / jazz fusion and worship music, I wanted something warmer / more mellow. After a lot of searching and listening to sound samples (by the way Fat Bass Tone has a Youtube channel with a lot of pickup demos that are good for comparison. They have a number of Nordstrand demos, the DCB's, various Bart soapbars, etc) I leaned towards the DCB's. I tried the DCB's in the 1346 first, and I actually vacillated between the two swapping them in and out few times. I settled on the DCB's. They give a more mellow but punchy and articulate tone with nice mids, and a good amount of treble, but more polite. I did the same with the 1805 and settled on the DCB's as well. They can cut pretty well if you turn up the treble but not as aggressively as the Big Singles.
 
Quick pickup question:

How do the US Bartolini soapbars stack-up against the stock MK1's? I found a secondhand pair but not sure if I want to drop ~$120 if the improvement is minimal.

Thx / Riis
Also interested in this. The NTMB pre really helps my SR505, but I still have the MK1s. Everything I've heard is that it's definite improvement, but I don't really hear any specifics when people talk about the upgrade.
 
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I generally don't post New Bass Day's (NBD), it's not my thing, but I thought I'd post here as this group might appreciate it.

I purchased a new SR305EM this week and am pleasantly surprised (at how good it is).

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So, the back story:
I have been looking for a good, low cost backup bass that I wouldn't mind playing if and when the time comes. For many years, I was bringing no backup to most gigs (without any problems) and in the last little while, I have been bringing a Steinberger XT-25. It's not a shape I enjoy playing and it's awkward for me to play while standing. My rational in keeping it was that it was small and would get me out of a pickle if I ever needed it and those situations would be few and far in between, if any. But, it kept nagging at me "why have a bass I don't enjoy?".

I have often been on the lookout for a Yamaha RBX5A2, as they are very lightweight (which is important to me). As they are discontinued, I would periodically keep an eye open for one used, but the 5-string ones don't come up very often. Then I saw one locally for a good price, so I bought it. I brought it to a gig and played it for a set, and it's a good sounding bass, but... it just wasn't comfortable. It had significant neck dive for a bass in the sub 7.5 lbs weight range. The way it sat on the strap made it feel more like it was 35" scale length, rather than the 34" that it is. And, the right forearm bevel has a sharp edge that is uncomfortable.

I had looked at Soundgear basses in the past and they have so many models. I briefly tried a SR305EM in the store and liked it, but never plugged it in or felt it on a strap. I checked Sweetwater's weights on that model and noticed they were consistently light. So, when one of the local stores had a couple in stock (one used and one new), I went to check them out. I didn't see the new one, but the used one was like new and the weight and balance were great. It comes in at under 8 lbs and there is no significant neck dive.

And, I am really surprised that the sound is good too. It's not traditional (vintage), but just a solid overall thick sound. It feels great with the natural bare wood finish too. I don't particularly love the black finish, but I don't hate it either. A few more colour options would be nice for this model.

The only negative I would say about it that I have noticed so far is that there is no active/passive switch. I think that is a must-have for active basses. But, for the price, this bass is hard to beat.
 
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How big is the gap between the SR300 and say the SR500 or SR600 series? The body wood is different, the bridge is different, the pickups are different. Does it add up to s substantial difference or is it just subtle? I had a 300 a while back that I like many things about but it just sounded, off, for lack of a better word. Did not like it. If the higher end versions had a different vibe going on I would hunt one down and try it but my instinct is they are not likely that different and just are what they are at their core..
 
Hello,
I have a general question about the Bartolini NTMB - does the preamp also have a passive mode?
It is an option, yes. Not every NTMB has that feature, but I made sure mine did, just in case. There is a noticeable volume difference between the two modes, however - and I'm typically only boosting mids and blending slightly towards the bridge.
How big is the gap between the SR300 and say the SR500 or SR600 series? The body wood is different, the bridge is different, the pickups are different. Does it add up to s substantial difference or is it just subtle? I had a 300 a while back that I like many things about but it just sounded, off, for lack of a better word. Did not like it. If the higher end versions had a different vibe going on I would hunt one down and try it but my instinct is they are not likely that different and just are what they are at their core..
My 505 and 305 were made about 20 years apart, and I'd say that my old(er) 505 as it was stock, is incredibly similar to my recent 305. That being said, it has been a few years since I modded my 505, so my memory isn't that fresh. But I'd say they're far more similar than dissimilar. And if you plan on upgrading any part of the 300 (specifically the pre-amp), I'd say it's easily on par with a 505.
 
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It is an option, yes. Not every NTMB has that feature, but I made sure mine did, just in case. There is a noticeable volume difference between the two modes, however - and I'm typically only boosting mids and blending slightly towards the bridge.

My 505 and 305 were made about 20 years apart, and I'd say that my old(er) 505 as it was stock, is incredibly similar to my recent 305. That being said, it has been a few years since I modded my 505, so my memory isn't that fresh. But I'd say they're far more similar than dissimilar. And if you plan on upgrading any part of the 300 (specifically the pre-amp), I'd say it's easily on par with a 505.
I would not likely be modding it. I sold the 300 I had a few years ago. Just never liked the sound except with flats of all things. The Sr800 I lost in a fire years before was the standard it could not live up to.

There was a lot I liked about the 300 but not the sound. Maybe I had a dog.. just not sure...
 
I would not likely be modding it. I sold the 300 I had a few years ago. Just never liked the sound except with flats of all things. The Sr800 I lost in a fire years before was the standard it could not live up to.

There was a lot I liked about the 300 but not the sound. Maybe I had a dog.. just not sure...
I enjoy it in its current (stock) state as a counterpoint to my modded 505. It sounds a bit more "flat-like" in its natural tone, if that makes sense. It needs new strings, which I'm sure would add some zing, but as a similar yet different tone to my 505, my 305 is a solid offering. Overall, it's not quite as expressive as the 505, but is exactly how I remember the 505 sounding before I swapped the pre-amp. In short, somewhat muddled lows, and indistinct highs. Not terrible, and you can hear everything well enough, but slightly muddy. The NTMB pre-amp solved that on the 505, cleaned up the muddy lows and gave them clarity and authority, made the highs crisper and clearer, and overall just made the tone clearer than stock. I imagine it would do the same for the 305.

Totally unrelated, but I love your profile pic. One of my favorite shows for its absolute craziness.
 
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@Frank Kreber Cool to hear about a new 18mm Soundgear with Aguilars. Man I'd love to see more Soundgears with the Aggies (since my favorite kind of pickup is the passive soapbar humbucker). The SR1600 (the 4-string Premium with Aggies that's no longer on the Ibanez site) is part of my try-GAS list. (I don't really have buy-GAS since my SR4600 is my Excalibur bass that gives me everything I want, need, and more. But there are so many cool basses I'd like to try, so I have try-GAS).
 
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Quick pickup question:

How do the US Bartolini soapbars stack-up against the stock MK1's? I found a secondhand pair but not sure if I want to drop ~$120 if the improvement is minimal.

Thx / Riis
Huge difference, really
The Mk1 stuff gets by. I've done a lot of shows and recordings with them.
But US Bart's are an entirely different beast.

To me, Mk1 's only sound good when fully scooped and some bass boost.
The US ones sound good no matter what I do with them, and fit all styles of music.

If it was a $300 upgrade, it would still be worth it
 
Huge difference, really
The Mk1 stuff gets by. I've done a lot of shows and recordings with them.
But US Bart's are an entirely different beast.

To me, Mk1 's only sound good when fully scooped and some bass boost.
The US ones sound good no matter what I do with them, and fit all styles of music.

If it was a $300 upgrade, it would still be worth it
My check book doesn't want to hear that! But one day, I'll probably get some US Barts to go with the NTMB in my SR505.
 
I have an SR1805 (5-string) and an SR1346B (6 string). They both came with Big Singles stock. I tried playing them for awhile with the Big Singles and although they had a lot of clarity, they were very aggressive sounding in the upper mids/lower treble to me. Also, since I like to solo pickups, I wasn't too keen dealing with single coil hum. Honestly in a good (i.e. not electrically noisy) environment, that would be only a minor issue, they're decently quiet in that case, but the tonal character was not really for me. If you play heavy music and really want to cut through the mix, I would say that the Big Singles do that well. In my case, playing mostly jazz / jazz fusion and worship music, I wanted something warmer / more mellow. After a lot of searching and listening to sound samples (by the way Fat Bass Tone has a Youtube channel with a lot of pickup demos that are good for comparison. They have a number of Nordstrand demos, the DCB's, various Bart soapbars, etc) I leaned towards the DCB's. I tried the DCB's in the 1346 first, and I actually vacillated between the two swapping them in and out few times. I settled on the DCB's. They give a more mellow but punchy and articulate tone with nice mids, and a good amount of treble, but more polite. I did the same with the 1805 and settled on the DCB's as well. They can cut pretty well if you turn up the treble but not as aggressively as the Big Singles.
There are also the Bart Singularity pups, they are wider single coil pups similar to the Nord Big Singles. I've put a set of SIngularties (along with a Glockenklang pre) in my SR900 and I really love 'm. They're more mellow but still have great definition. Both pickups dialed in gives a tone reminiscent to that of Victor Wootens ol' Fodera (which sports an EMG P/J set...)
I also own an SR1200 so I know how the Nord Big Singles sound in a SR type bass.
 
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I enjoy it in its current (stock) state as a counterpoint to my modded 505. It sounds a bit more "flat-like" in its natural tone, if that makes sense. It needs new strings, which I'm sure would add some zing, but as a similar yet different tone to my 505, my 305 is a solid offering. Overall, it's not quite as expressive as the 505, but is exactly how I remember the 505 sounding before I swapped the pre-amp. In short, somewhat muddled lows, and indistinct highs. Not terrible, and you can hear everything well enough, but slightly muddy. The NTMB pre-amp solved that on the 505, cleaned up the muddy lows and gave them clarity and authority, made the highs crisper and clearer, and overall just made the tone clearer than stock. I imagine it would do the same for the 305.

Totally unrelated, but I love your profile pic. One of my favorite shows for its absolute craziness.
I have a 505 too. The biggest difference I found between the 500 line and 300 is that the ovankol neck definitely changes the character vs the maple in the 300. It's a bit of a change in the resonance and matched with the electronics makes the 500 sound a little bit more detailed and closer to the unique tone that the Warwicks all share (ovankol) but still has the trademark depth and growl Ibanez SR is all about. The 300 actually sounds even bigger and bassier naturally but I'd say it's a more natural scoop in the mids. But I think it's the character of the Ibanez pickups vs the bartolini in the 500. I'd love to try bartolini in a 300 and see how much it's the pickups. I've compared both basses back to back and eventually found a nice deal on a 505 because I like the ovankol neck more than maple. However if I had a 305 I'd be very happy with the tone I can get. I have a cheap gsr205 that even sounds good. Once again every Ibanez SR that I've tried has a signature tone that really works and you can make it fit so many things musically.
 
SRMS806 question; I've been offered one, not locally and second hand, so not returnable (reliable seller though) and I'm very tempted as the price is excellent, but I'm concerned how I'm going to adapt to the MS side of it. It likely won't be used as a chordal, soloist type bass as I have something else that will fulfil that role, but it's the ergonomics of the MS that concern me. I have several other SRs in 2, 3, 6, and 7 series, 4, 5 and 6 strings, so I know how well they fit me, so will I notice much of a change?
Don't worry about the electronics as I can change those later, IF I decide it needs it, but I've been able to make the MK1 and BH2 basses I have work well enough, that I'm not likely to change them any time soon. @Memnochthebass did Zens on his so those, or the 916 Super Ferrites would likely be the path taken.

Take the punt? What says the brains trust?
 
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