sure
but the original series addressed social issues of it's time
Racism
Equal rights
Peace
Civil rights
war
greed
world peace
acceptance of other
etc etc
It was very profound...growing through the 70s
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but the original series addressed social issues of it's time
Racism
Equal rights
Peace
Civil rights
war
greed
world peace
acceptance of other
etc etc
It was very profound...growing through the 70s
New Trek addresses social issues. Like crying and explosions and Michael Burnham crying and making speeches about love and family and crying. Those are social issues right?
Liking SNW so far.
However:
- the usual, modern Trek insistence on rules being for sussies is here as well (I already said it and I'll say it again: why do Star Trek if you don't like Star Trek?);
- writers aren't solid enough when it comes to science fiction. It doesn't have to be "hard" SF, but here we have a lot of convenient, ad hoc explanations, with too much telling and not enough showing where it counts. Similar to STD and (ugh!) Foundation.
Still, I like the cast and I'm pretty sure I'll keep watching (unlike the aforementioned series, which I've dropped with extreme prejudice).
However:
- the usual, modern Trek insistence on rules being for sussies is here as well (I already said it and I'll say it again: why do Star Trek if you don't like Star Trek?);
- writers aren't solid enough when it comes to science fiction. It doesn't have to be "hard" SF, but here we have a lot of convenient, ad hoc explanations, with too much telling and not enough showing where it counts. Similar to STD and (ugh!) Foundation.
Welcome back, doc. So it seems you were wrong and I can cure other folks; in fact it happened with Lt. Apostrophe before, when I got hit with gamma rays which somehow cured her because she was near me. I know you didn't see it (nobody did, they'd spent all the CGI money on space ghosts) but trust me. And anyway it's working with all the others, so there.
Still, I like the cast and I'm pretty sure I'll keep watching (unlike the aforementioned series, which I've dropped with extreme prejudice).
Sure. What's kind of cool about Discovery, as an example, is that while such things are actually still touched on to one degree or another, some aren't, or aren't as much, because of the representation in the casting.
Janeway never cried because she was a megalomaniacal sociopath.
You say that like it’s a bad thing. I’m confused.
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SNW EP4
A whole episode based on the Gorn, without actually showing them. They’re much more than some guy in a tacky lizard suit trying to kill Kirk.
Also more Uhura backstory.
I approve.
A whole episode based on the Gorn, without actually showing them. They’re much more than some guy in a tacky lizard suit trying to kill Kirk.
Also more Uhura backstory.
I approve.
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I didn't say it wasn't enjoyable. I asked if it was. I'm not closed to any new Star Trek. I reply when spoken to.
So to me that seems to say Uhura was older than I thought--older than Kirk?
Just wondering how they handle that.
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SNW is about 10 years before TOS and Kirk. Cadet Uhura as portrayed on SNW seems age-appropriate for that timeline.
In the TOS episode The Menagerie-it's a little longer than that--13 years after the Talos incident--which has to happen before this.
So while I find the idea of Pike & Spock on the Enterprise before then, It feels too soon.
But if she's a cadet?
maybe.
If I can access it anywhere I may still check it out.
But thanks for the answer.
Well I watched the first episode--will still give an other episode or two a shot.
Not sure what to think.
Some stuff I like, some I don't, some I am indifferent to.
I did like seeing Dr. M'Benga--but didn't like not seeing Dr Boyce--he was one of the best thing about the original pilot.
It was unnecessary & too possibly complicating to have cadet Uhura.
T'pring was well cast--but indifferent to the scene.
I hope that Kyle at the transporter is someone else than the Kyle from TOS--just feels gratuitous otherwise.
We should see some references to TOS (& even beyond TOS), but lets' not just throw them in just because you can.
Not sure about including Lt Kirk (Jim's brother)--but not much shown yet--so we'll see I guess.
In some ways this feels more like a prequel to the Kelvin timeline-but some issues there as well.
SO I'll give it at least 2 more episodes--so far I am not convinced either way. (For or against)
there is some potential.
And I am not going to be a continuity Nazi--but anything significant needs a great story, great actor(s) or great explanation.
And even changes that are only a bit significant will benefit from those as well.
Not sure what to think.
Some stuff I like, some I don't, some I am indifferent to.
I did like seeing Dr. M'Benga--but didn't like not seeing Dr Boyce--he was one of the best thing about the original pilot.
It was unnecessary & too possibly complicating to have cadet Uhura.
T'pring was well cast--but indifferent to the scene.
I hope that Kyle at the transporter is someone else than the Kyle from TOS--just feels gratuitous otherwise.
We should see some references to TOS (& even beyond TOS), but lets' not just throw them in just because you can.
Not sure about including Lt Kirk (Jim's brother)--but not much shown yet--so we'll see I guess.
In some ways this feels more like a prequel to the Kelvin timeline-but some issues there as well.
SO I'll give it at least 2 more episodes--so far I am not convinced either way. (For or against)
there is some potential.
And I am not going to be a continuity Nazi--but anything significant needs a great story, great actor(s) or great explanation.
And even changes that are only a bit significant will benefit from those as well.
