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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

Is there a general consensus that a Finally v1 can sound as good as a Finally v3?

I know it doesn't have a HPF and the output has some difference to isolate the signal and the unagi transformer. I already have a HPF and my only performance/usage is using IEM's. So would a Jensen sound much different than the Unagi?
I have a first run v1 with a Jensen that sounds fantastic so have never felt the need to compare as to my ears it sounds just as nice as my Countryman Type 85 or RNDI with minute differences. I also have a Pedalnetics DIm Stick that sounds fine as well.
 
If you don't need the HPF, I'd say go for it. The transformer difference is subtle enough to not be worth caring about.
Agreed. I've had both and couldn't hear the difference.

Waldo, if you go back through this thread, (and you should, because many of the things you're asking about have been discussed), you'll read that Nathan both chose the LB for V1, and designed the Unagi for V2 and V3, for transparency and full frequency response- not for any noticeable coloration.

If you need the HPF, and it's a good idea for most live performance, simply add a HPF-equipped pedal, like those from Broughton, in front of the Finally V1.

 
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Agreed. I've had both and couldn't hear the difference.

Waldo, if you go back through this thread, (and you should, because many of the things you're asking about have been discussed), you'll read that Nathan both chose the LB for V1, and designed the Unagi for V2 and V3, for transparency and full frequency response- not for any noticeable coloration.

If you need the HPF, and it's a good idea for most live performance, simply add a HPF-equipped pedal, like those from Broughton, in front of the Finally V1.

Good advice Micheal, i definitely appreciate it. I have read through most of the thread. Hence my interest. Just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion.

I have a HPF and a LPF in my chain already plus they have one setup FOH.

It's good to know there's no difference in sound to your ears. I might just have to get the v1. I currently have a Venus Z but I don't feel like I need any additional EQ. I just want that 3d-ish tube tone. Being able to adjust the gain seems like it may get my tone where I want it. The Venus Z is a great pedal. I just can't get it out of my head that the Finally might be better suited for my tone goals.
 
Just got my Finally V3 today, tested it out in my home studio--will be gigging it this weekend. For live I've only used my JDI for the last several decades, but I wanted to have a little tube fun and also find a DI that fit on my mini board. Very stoked on this--sounds excellent. It is very quiet--I'd take this into any studio. Ticks all the boxes, love the sound of it and the functionality and versatility, it's so well thought-out. Pretty crazy bang-for-buck. And what's not to love about the purple glow?
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UPS showed up at 7:30 last night. I ended up plugging in my new to me Finally v1 around 8:30. 1st impressions are good. I like how i can adjust the gain and how it reacts to different pedal combinations. I'm looking forward to trying it through the PA tomorrow night at rehearsal.

Good times!
The Finally is a fun pedal when you start playing with the gain and level settings. Even more fun when you start rolling tubes!
 
The Finally is a fun pedal when you start playing with the gain and level settings. Even more fun when you start rolling tubes!
That's something that will end up happening I'm sure. Im thinking about trying polar opposites. Something super clean and something high gain. Though it is definitely something I'm not knowledgeable about. There's no better time than now to learn.
 
Anyone have recs for NOS tubes to roll?
Differences between specific brands of tube will generally be so minimal as to be lost in a mix (but perhaps fun to cork sniff). However, differences between tube types in the 12ax family that have different gain structures (12ax7, 12at7, 12au7, 5751) will be significant and much more worth exploring to see how clean vs dirty you prefer, as well as to adjust how much of its gain curve is on the clean side before the heavy overtones come into play. I have accumulated a bunch of tubes and tried many.......as an eg, the difference between a NOS "vintage" Raytheon 12ax7 and a new JJ 12ax7 disappears when I close my eyes, but popping in any 12au7 and running it cleaner at lower gain changes the character of a sushi pedal.
 
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Differences between specific brands of tube will generally be so minimal as to be lost in a mix (but perhaps fun to cork sniff). However, differences between tube types in the 12ax family that have different gain structures (12ax7, 12at7, 12au7, 5751) will be significant and much more worth exploring to see how clean vs dirty you prefer, as well as to adjust how much of its gain curve is on the clean side before the heavy overtones come into play. I have accumulated a bunch of tubes and tried many.......as an eg, the difference between a NOS "vintage" Raytheon 12ax7 and a new JJ 12ax7 disappears when I close my eyes, but popping in any 12au7 and running it cleaner at lower gain changes the character of a sushi pedal.
Mine has a 12ax7wb in it and I do like how it sounds. However I do want to put a 12au7 in soon since that's the tube used in the original design. I'm curious to hear how it sounds with the gain dimed but still having a clean but overtone rich sound.
 
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Differences between specific brands of tube will generally be so minimal as to be lost in a mix (but perhaps fun to cork sniff). However, differences between tube types in the 12ax family that have different gain structures (12ax7, 12at7, 12au7, 5751) will be significant and much more worth exploring to see how clean vs dirty you prefer, as well as to adjust how much of its gain curve is on the clean side before the heavy overtones come into play. I have accumulated a bunch of tubes and tried many.......as an eg, the difference between a NOS "vintage" Raytheon 12ax7 and a new JJ 12ax7 disappears when I close my eyes, but popping in any 12au7 and running it cleaner at lower gain changes the character of a sushi pedal.
I concur that this was my experience. I have a collection of vintage and NOS tubes and heard minute to no difference from the stock JJ 12AX7 in my trials. Different values changed the saturation point or amount but the character stayed virtually the same. I liked a 12ax7 in my Finally. YMMV
 
Anybody try using a More in front of an amp that already has a tube preamp (I'm sure someone has)? Basically using it to drive the onboard tube to distort more than usual? What was your experience? I've seen people say that the More is pretty clean and that you have to swap out the stock tube with a different one to make it a little dirty. Would doing this be beneficial to drive the existing preamp even more or would the stock tube be fine?
 
Anybody try using a More in front of an amp that already has a tube preamp (I'm sure someone has)? Basically using it to drive the onboard tube to distort more than usual? What was your experience? I've seen people say that the More is pretty clean and that you have to swap out the stock tube with a different one to make it a little dirty. Would doing this be beneficial to drive the existing preamp even more or would the stock tube be fine?
How much gain you'll need to push your amp into the dirt zone depends on your amp and how hot your bass output is. Stock More has plenty of gain on tap and IIRC swapping the tube for a 12ax7 increases potential gain to about THIRTY dB!!! All that said, if grit/tube harmonics +/- OD is the goal, an Underground Accelerator or Elementary seem like better options. Either one can drive your amp harder and/or add it's own flavour if desired, for not much more coin than a More. Jus' sayin' ;). The UA is particularly flexible. You could run it before the amp either clean/flat or with its own flavour OD AND when you flip the toggle to bypass its eq, you'll get a significant output boost that can goose your downstream amp (because EQ engaged drops the output moderately). It's inspired by the classic Alembic F2B IIRC. That pedal is a tone machine all in itself IME/IMO.
 
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