The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

[Sushi Box FX]

Quick March status update, circuit board assembly is up to 85%, hoping to get it finished up today and move into initial play testing. I'm also hoping to get the remaining UV printing done today so I can move everything into final assembly after testing. My goal is to finish up everything this weekend and have everything shipped (or at least ready to ship) by Monday.

 

[labeledbass]

It would have to be, all of them use a full power section with output transformer, then throw a dummy load on the output transfer and tap off of that. The SWR, H&K, and Warwick all use EL84 for the power stage, interesting that SWR is the only one doing push-pull, the other two are single-ended.

This is still on my list and I'm hoping to get to it soon. I'm assuming EL84 was selected because it's physically the smallest commonly used power tube and is relatively low wattage so you don't need a massive dummy load like you would for 6L6 or EL34, but frankly to get it into a pedal EL84 isn't a great choice because of size, power consumption, and heat. My plan for the initial prototype is to use a 12AU7 in self-split push-pull, which gives about 1W through a speaker. This would keep power requirements down and allow me to use a smaller power transformer and smaller dummy load, making it my best shot at getting it into a pedal-size enclosure.

Yeah, attenuating a power output would probably be easier, there's a lot of 1 and 5 watt units that do that, even that low still puts some heat off though

This gives a good rep of a valve power section as well

 

[Lowendtech]

This gives a good rep of a valve power section as well

I searched for one of those for 5 years. Almost had one but it seems like it’s just not meant to be.

 

[labeledbass]

I searched for one of those for 5 years. Almost had one but it seems like it’s just not meant to be.

Yeah, I dreamed about the idea behind it for years, just to find recently that it was existed lol. I can get good silent power stage with this but its cumbersome..

 

[kevmac]

The Swr Interstellar Overdrive preamp it has a low wattage tube for the power section to give that tube power amp saturation. As far as I know it is the only preamp on the market I've seen atleast designed to do this.

Oh man, I wanted one of these. In the worst way back in the day.They didn't make them for long and they were $800 when I was a struggling working dad.Do you own an original rack mount ?

 

[Ethereal Thorn]

It would have to be, all of them use a full power section with output transformer, then throw a dummy load on the output transfer and tap off of that. The SWR, H&K, and Warwick all use EL84 for the power stage, interesting that SWR is the only one doing push-pull, the other two are single-ended.

This is still on my list and I'm hoping to get to it soon. I'm assuming EL84 was selected because it's physically the smallest commonly used power tube and is relatively low wattage so you don't need a massive dummy load like you would for 6L6 or EL34, but frankly to get it into a pedal EL84 isn't a great choice because of size, power consumption, and heat. My plan for the initial prototype is to use a 12AU7 in self-split push-pull, which gives about 1W through a speaker. This would keep power requirements down and allow me to use a smaller power transformer and smaller dummy load, making it my best shot at getting it into a pedal-size enclosure.

Part of the reason too I'm assuming was because el84's can kind of cop the el34 sound abit. I didnt know about the warwick pre or the others either now I feel dumb lol. thanks for correcting my misinformation guys

 

[Ethereal Thorn]

Oh man, I wanted one of these. In the worst way back in the day.They didn't make them for long and they were $800 when I was a struggling working dad.Do you own an original rack mount ?

unfortunately no I do not. The rack format would only work for studio for me atm sadly and I prefer having the same sounds I use in the studio live.

 

[johnk_10]

Yeah, attenuating a power output would probably be easier, there's a lot of 1 and 5 watt units that do that, even that low still puts some heat off though

This gives a good rep of a valve power section as well
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i had one but wasn't very impressed with it so i sold it. IMO, it just was okay.

 

[kevmac]

unfortunately no I do not. The rack format would only work for studio for me atm sadly and I prefer having the same sounds I use in the studio live.

Is there a pedal preamp of the SWR ?

 

[revd]

Broughton unobtanium in the Sushi thread as well now? Er, great!

 

[Ethereal Thorn]

Is there a pedal preamp of the SWR ?

Atm not anything I'm aware of that Batt Hughes Kettner probably is the closest to a pedal that does anything close atm or maybe that broughton power stage pedal paired with another tube pre. I haven't heard anything about either of those two pedals before those recent post in this thread tho and maybe there's still more I'm not aware of that haven't been listed here yet. Out of all the awesome stuff sushi box makes this is the one new design I'm most excited about and anxious to see what he can come up with. It's potentially the only new product to fit this gap seeing that so many players are now moving to ampless/ iem rigs with preamps now it could be huge if word gets out and it nails the tube power amp sound.

 

[krfoss]

Hey there Sushi nerds. Has anyone here done a comparison with the Particle Accelerator vs the Broughton Super Stack? Im curious to hear your feedback between the two.

 

[BunchyMutt]

Hey there Sushi nerds. Has anyone here done a comparison with the Particle Accelerator vs the Broughton Super Stack? Im curious to hear your feedback between the two.

I know someone is currently running both at the same time with good results. I'm forgetting who it is. @labeledbass maybe? They felt that it gave great results and they were different enough to justify keeping both.

I used to own a Super Stack and currently own a PA X. To my memory the SS is more transparent and open. I wanted more of a tone difference than what the SS was applying in my chain and the PA X does that for me. The PA X thickens things up more in my setup

 

[Lowendtech]

Hey there Sushi nerds. Has anyone here done a comparison with the Particle Accelerator vs the Broughton Super Stack? Im curious to hear your feedback between the two.

Also, the SS doesn’t do dirt. It’s thick but clean. Like a big warm tubey pillow.

 

[Kelly robinson]

This is a tad off topic but it seems like almost all pedals are evolutionary developments of older amp models - done to mimic their tones in a more friendly format right now . I wonder if anyone will make a revolutionary leap and develop a pedal design oriented towards players trying to improve their skill levels . Specifically what I am getting at is a pedal that could record you as you practice and display the waveforms of both your practice and whatever song it is you are working on for comparison purposes . It would be great if it also was able to identify song keys / alternate tunings etc too . I believe this can currently be done already thru a workstation / computer setup but that is fairly cumbersome . Perhaps I am simply dreaming but some day I would expect to find something similar coming out . Personally , my choice of name for it would be “ The Tin Ear Remedy “ ! ..... Kelly

 

[kevmac]

Atm not anything I'm aware of that Batt Hughes Kettner probably is the closest to a pedal that does anything close atm or maybe that broughton power stage pedal paired with another tube pre. I haven't heard anything about either of those two pedals before those recent post in this thread tho and maybe there's still more I'm not aware of that haven't been listed here yet. Out of all the awesome stuff sushi box makes this is the one new design I'm most excited about and anxious to see what he can come up with. It's potentially the only new product to fit this gap seeing that so many players are now moving to ampless/ iem rigs with preamps now it could be huge if word gets out and it nails the tube power amp sound.

The SWR IO was not very popular hence it's short run.I was hoping you had some inside info.I doubt we will see this in pedal form.

 

[kevmac]

This is a tad off topic but it seems like almost all pedals are evolutionary developments of older amp models - done to mimic their tones in a more friendly format right now . I wonder if anyone will make a revolutionary leap and develop a pedal design oriented towards players trying to improve their skill levels . Specifically what I am getting at is a pedal that could record you as you practice and display the waveforms of both your practice and whatever song it is you are working on for comparison purposes . It would be great if it also was able to identify song keys / alternate tunings etc too . I believe this can currently be done already thru a workstation / computer setup but that is fairly cumbersome . Perhaps I am simply dreaming but some day I would expect to find something similar coming out . Personally , my choice of name for it would be “ The Tin Ear Remedy “ ! ..... Kelly

I won't have need for such a pedal.When I suck I know it immediately.Lots of experience in this area.

 

[labeledbass]

I know someone is currently running both at the same time with good results. I'm forgetting who it is. @labeledbass maybe? They felt that it gave great results and they were different enough to justify keeping both.

I used to own a Super Stack and currently own a PA X. To my memory the SS is more transparent and open. I wanted more of a tone difference than what the SS was applying in my chain and the PA X does that for me. The PA X thickens things up more in my setup

PA mini tube version, was the first Sushi box I bought, at the same time, I did have a SSDI, I haven't had standard Super Stack to compare. I ran each independently and they were close, EQ wise, the PA could even get a little drive the SSDI couldn't (for good reasons), Many folk dismiss the PA/SS/SSDI do to their Fender/Alembic/BBE style stack, which I understand. Its semi-hard to get a really mid focused tone, especially for a live setup, BUT for recording direct I almost use the SSDI exclusively as it has the clearest, most powerful sound I've played. So in my eyes the Fender stack does great in a studio setting, but that brought me to the realization I only needed one, and the lunchbox won. I would personally choose in this order, SSDI, PA, SS, of course financially things could change that order, and in that case the Particle Accelerator is the best of the three. As far as your statement, I did run a PA into a SSDI, nothing really special happened, the SSDI just slams anything else with the available power it has, but your wallet will reflect that as well.

 

[gtirard]

This is a tad off topic but it seems like almost all pedals are evolutionary developments of older amp models - done to mimic their tones in a more friendly format right now . I wonder if anyone will make a revolutionary leap and develop a pedal design oriented towards players trying to improve their skill levels . Specifically what I am getting at is a pedal that could record you as you practice and display the waveforms of both your practice and whatever song it is you are working on for comparison purposes . It would be great if it also was able to identify song keys / alternate tunings etc too . I believe this can currently be done already thru a workstation / computer setup but that is fairly cumbersome . Perhaps I am simply dreaming but some day I would expect to find something similar coming out . Personally , my choice of name for it would be “ The Tin Ear Remedy “ ! ..... Kelly

That would be a digital device, either a pedal or a smarphone/tablet app, nothing to do with the boutique pedal shop we're talking about here. This kind of device could be proposed by big companies such as Yamaha because it require a lot of digital R&D, it's a completely different world.

 

[labeledbass]

That would be a digital device, either a pedal or a smarphone/tablet app, nothing to do with the boutique pedal shop we're talking about here. This kind of device could be proposed by big companies such as Yamaha because it require a lot of digital R&D, it's a completely different world.

People said the same thing to Keith Barr when he invented the FV-1 chip, and now it's in almost every digital pedal. Tech is getting smaller and cheaper every day. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that was in a floor workstation, I wouldn't buy it but I'm sure many others would. I'm sure there was a decent amount of R&D in Nathan's digital pedals, and let's be real we're honestly the R&D for Sushibox, which so far seems to be a good relationship for future gear