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The Tesla and other Electric vehicle thread.....

#161
D M C said:
No. 28% is from transportation. Carbon Pollution from Transportation | US EPA
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Pollution generated by trucks and other heavy transport modes is not being ignored. Carving out passenger cars as proof there's no problem is kind of irrelevant when the problem is multifaceted.

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Freightliner Electric Semi Trucks | EV | E-Mobility | Freightliner Trucks

8 electric truck and van companies to watch in 2020 | Greenbiz

https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/electrification-of-u.s.-railways-pie-in-the-sky-or-realistic-goal
 
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My sister & brother-in-law have had a Tesla Model S for a couple of years now. She seems pretty blasé about it -- I think maybe she's a tiny bit annoyed about how scheduling a recharge isn't quite as easy as driving to the nearest gas station to fill the tank -- but he absolutely loves it.

Just recently they were talking to my wife and me about our very preliminary hunt for a new car, and they were both encouraging us to check out the Tesla Model Y, since we need a hatchback for transporting bass amps and/or bicycles. Cute car. Freakin' better be cute, because it's 3x the price of the Honda Fit that we've also been looking at!

I suspect this may have already been mentioned in the 9 pages of this thread, but can anyone point me to a concise summary (that isn't too heavy on the political spin or marketing BS) which discusses the long-term economics of owning an electric vehicle? E.g., cost-of-entry versus cost-of-ownership over time for EV compared to ICE ...also, environmental impact of EV vs ICE taking into account utility power generation. Thanks.

[edit: Is see that EPA report cited a couple posts back, will check that out.]
 
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#165
Bob_Ross said:
My sister & brother-in-law have had a Tesla Model S for a couple of years now. She seems pretty blasé about it -- I think maybe she's a tiny bit annoyed about how scheduling a recharge isn't quite as easy as driving to the nearest gas station to fill the tank -- but he absolutely loves it.

Just recently they were talking to my wife and me about our very preliminary hunt for a new car, and they were both encouraging us to check out the Tesla Model Y, since we need a hatchback for transporting bass amps and/or bicycles. Cute car. Freakin' better be cute, because it's 3x the price of the Honda Fit that we've also been looking at!

I suspect this may have already been mentioned in the 9 pages of this thread, but can anyone point me to a concise summary (that isn't too heavy on the political spin or marketing BS) which discusses the long-term economics of owning an electric vehicle? E.g., cost-of-entry versus cost-of-ownership over time for EV compared to ICE ...also, environmental impact of EV vs ICE taking into account utility power generation. Thanks.

[edit: Is see that EPA report cited a couple posts back, will check that out.]
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Hatchback?
I got my ‘17 bmw i3 for 1/3 the original sticker fresh off
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a 28 month lease return.
I would never have paid the retail price for one. (Or a Tesla, either, for that matter.)
It’s a perfect size for all my needs,rear seats fold down, quite a lot of cargo space and i also like the taller stance/seating for a small vehicle.
 
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#166
EV also does not have once, twice or depending on millage more a year oil changes and air filters.

No needing to go to a place to have the oil done or if you like to do it yourself, there is no need to. Which for people that park on the street it can be a hassle to change themselves, especially in a downtown location.

Just wash the thing and rotate the tires seems to be the only maintenance for its first few years.
 
#167
My wife has a Tesla S model and really likes that she never has to stop at a gas station. Here in some parts of LA, bad things have been happening, especially to unsuspecting women, while at the gas station. Purses are stolen right out of the car and even car jackings from time to time. So much easier to spend 10 seconds plugin in the power cord in the safety of the garage.
 
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While I was still commuting to work (PA to NYC) I did see quite a few Tesla vehicles on the road, so the concept is definitely viable for some people.

My personal experience is extremely limited: one ride as a passenger in a Model S (I think?). Impressive acceleration for sure. Not my cup of tea whatsoever for a plethora of reasons, but to each their own.

While I have nothing against the EV concept per se, I detest the way it is being pushed on consumers.

My $0.02 only...
 
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#172
bholder said:
?? Explain. Tesla does no advertising.
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If you re-read my post, you will see that it states "EV concept" without mentioning Tesla or any other manufacturer.

Manufacturers are not the ones pushing the concept in the manner that I detest. It's their job to sell their products.

The powers that be...*should* have no business pushing anything of a kind. Yet they are.
 
#173
ajkula66 said:
If you re-read my post, you will see that it states "EV concept" without mentioning Tesla or any other manufacturer.

Manufacturers are not the ones pushing the concept in the manner that I detest. It's their job to sell their products.

The powers that be...*should* have no business pushing anything of a kind. Yet they are.
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We'll just have to disagree, then.
 
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#177
Stewie26 said:
Looks like Tesla produced more cars for first the quarter of 2021 than predicted. This is even with both the S and X model assembly lines being down for retooling to update both these high end models.
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Shame on Tesla for forcing those electric cars on consumers! (in spite of the fed tax credit incentive being gone)

EDIT: ^^^^ Sarcasm
 
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Alkali Ike said:
Shame on Tesla for forcing those electric cars on consumers! (in spite of the fed tax credit incentive being gone)
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Jeez....What are you smoking? Tesla does not even advertise their products? There success is been pretty much by word of mouth from satisfied customers who tell their friends and relatives. A friend of ours bought a Tesla S and let my wife drive it for about 15 minutes. A few days later, she ordered one. No one put a gun to her head forcing her to buy one. Deal with it!
 
#179
Stewie26 said:
Jeez....What are you smoking? Tesla does not even advertise their products? There success is been pretty much by word of mouth from satisfied customers who tell their friends and relatives. A friend of ours bought a Tesla S and let my wife drive it for about 15 minutes. A few days later, she ordered one. No one put a gun to her head forcing her to buy one. Deal with it!
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ajkula66 said:
While I was still commuting to work (PA to NYC) I did see quite a few Tesla vehicles on the road, so the concept is definitely viable for some people.

My personal experience is extremely limited: one ride as a passenger in a Model S (I think?). Impressive acceleration for sure. Not my cup of tea whatsoever for a plethora of reasons, but to each their own.

While I have nothing against the EV concept per se, I detest the way it is being pushed on consumers.

My $0.02 only...
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Pretty sure that was sarcasm in response to the 2nd quoted post above... ;)
 
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Stewie26 said:
Jeez....What are you smoking? Tesla does not even advertise their products? There success is been pretty much by word of mouth from satisfied customers who tell their friends and relatives. A friend of ours bought a Tesla S and let my wife drive it for about 15 minutes. A few days later, she ordered one. No one put a gun to her head forcing her to buy one. Deal with it!
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@Stewie26 I was being sarcastic. I am not anti-Tesla or anti-EV. I drive a PHEV myself and plan to go all-electric when the right vehicle for me is available. I was posting in response to another user's comments. :)
 
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