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I used the 2014 Black theme on my phones for years, never had any issues with It.....2014 White for the laptop.
Nothing about the upgrade is a deal-breaker for me....Cheers.
right. cos web forums are all the rage with gen z these days. man people love to complain.
In 10 years, the site wont even need us users... AI will fill out the threads for us
I'm also level 24. I'm looking forward to learning what that means. It sounds interesting.
then you and i must meet upon the field of battle
this internet aint big enough for the both of us
I have an adblocker on my iPad and don’t see them neitherSorry, what are these "ads" of which many are speaking?
I think we should record some pro wrestling-style promos first, insulting each other and bragging on ourselves for the entertainment of the viewing audience.
I get that younger people want shorter-form content,
IOW the TLNR instant gratification crowd.
As another "old guy" I 100% agree with all you said. I've been around since the early days of the internet. When everything was text based and we had to use modems to connect. Many of us ran DOS based "Bulletin Boards" off servers in our homes and used Usenet to get info and advice from other users. Mozilla and Netscape changed all that. The end result is what we have now. Access to the greastest depository of knowledge the world has ever seen. However, along with that there is the good and the bad.
Nowadays, programmers seem like they're getting paid by how many new clicks they can create. Or how many more steps we need to do something. Smartphones are even worse. Oh well, I digress. As humans we either adapt or die.
First I've got nothing to do with the TB team, I just made a comment as a pro web designer (I can put myself in their shoes).
I'm annoyed to be forced to change my habits too, just like you. That's what "resistance to change" is mostly.
But if you think about each of these changes individually like if you were a new visitor, with no prior habits, most of the time it's better, or equal, very rarely worst IMO.
They didn't change for the sake of change. They had to upadate the underlying platform for security reasons. And they worked hard to make the new one look and feel as close and possible to the old one. But they hadn't updated the platform for such a long time that the gap was too big.
To you and all the raging users: be nice, you are using a free service, and you have no idea what efforts they had to put into this.
To the Talkbass team: you should consider updating the platform more often in the future. In my experience of web designer, it's easier for the users to get used more frequently to smaller changes. And if you really have to make big updates, communicate more upfront.
To all: be patients, users will get used and remaining bugs will be fixed.
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@turf3 , you make some good points, and I agree with a lot of what you say. I want to offer a different perspective on some points.
I’d put it more at 50%. Maybe less, the line between the two isn’t always clear. But more importantly, keeping up with modern UX design and software functionality is in itself a valid reason for change. You have to think not only of existing users, but also future users. What may seem as impractical from the perspective of a longtime user because of familiarity may make things easier for new users. The difficult thing is to strike a balance between the two.
In my opinion, the Talkbass team and the people who make the forum software have done a pretty good job of finding that balance, but this is of course subjective.
The old software was starting to feel dated to me, and I’m 46 and have been using forums for over 20 years. Imagine how it must have felt to a teenager who’s just starting out playing bass. So even if this update were just about the UI (it wasn’t), I think it would have been justified. If anything, Talkbass has been very conservative in pushing changes.
I agree in principle, but only if the new software is objectively worse. I don’t think that’s the case here. Is the new design really that different from the old one? I just don’t see it, but again, that’s subjective.
Also, the staff have made it clear that this update was absolutely necessary. But there’s nothing to apologize for, IMO.
Agreed, but I’ve only seen other users use that argument, not staff members.
And while I don’t think that it is wise to say it in those words, there is a lot of truth to it. I’ve learned not to trust my first reaction to a change, but to give it at least week. I’ve gotten used to the forum in less than a day, because it honestly doesn’t feel that different to me. My guess, based on similar situations in the past, is that in a month time, most of the people who complain now will have forgotten this whole thing even happened.
Just as you should always ask yourself if you want something just because it’s new and shiny, you should also ask if you think the old thing is better than the new one just because you are familiar with it.
In short, unnecessary change is a thing, but so is resistance to change. And what is necessary, is debatable.
I’d put it more at 50%. Maybe less, the line between the two isn’t always clear. But more importantly, keeping up with modern UX design and software functionality is in itself a valid reason for change. You have to think not only of existing users, but also future users. What may seem as impractical from the perspective of a longtime user because of familiarity may make things easier for new users. The difficult thing is to strike a balance between the two.
In my opinion, the Talkbass team and the people who make the forum software have done a pretty good job of finding that balance, but this is of course subjective.
The old software was starting to feel dated to me, and I’m 46 and have been using forums for over 20 years. Imagine how it must have felt to a teenager who’s just starting out playing bass. So even if this update were just about the UI (it wasn’t), I think it would have been justified. If anything, Talkbass has been very conservative in pushing changes.
I agree in principle, but only if the new software is objectively worse. I don’t think that’s the case here. Is the new design really that different from the old one? I just don’t see it, but again, that’s subjective.
Also, the staff have made it clear that this update was absolutely necessary. But there’s nothing to apologize for, IMO.
Agreed, but I’ve only seen other users use that argument, not staff members.
And while I don’t think that it is wise to say it in those words, there is a lot of truth to it. I’ve learned not to trust my first reaction to a change, but to give it at least week. I’ve gotten used to the forum in less than a day, because it honestly doesn’t feel that different to me. My guess, based on similar situations in the past, is that in a month time, most of the people who complain now will have forgotten this whole thing even happened.
Just as you should always ask yourself if you want something just because it’s new and shiny, you should also ask if you think the old thing is better than the new one just because you are familiar with it.
In short, unnecessary change is a thing, but so is resistance to change. And what is necessary, is debatable.
I'm looking at your avatar. That's the damnedest-looking butterfly I've ever seen.
He he.
Mean't to represent sails, being right beside the beautiful Sydney harbour
One of the great feats of architecture.
Well, all forums are skewing older. It's a format that just isn't used as much anymore.
There are a lot of younger bass players/musicians of all kinds, but they have more resources available now and other ways of talking to each other. They practice, they ask for tips and learning materials, they record themselves and share videos within those places for critique, all kinds of stuff.
Plus this forum, in particular, has a rep as being full of stodgy old people. The sort who are resistant to change, complain too much, trash talk anything new in music/production/etc, and so on. You get the idea. Depending on who you ask, mentions of this place will induce eye rolling, warnings about picking through the crap, even advice to stay away and go somewhere more useful. It's not 100%, but it's there.
Talking about practicing and playing the bass on TB? Preposterous! Unheard of!
