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Double Bass Things to look for in a BG thumper

I think a little patience is the key to bass shopping. $500 for a CCB is probably not a good investment, and more importantly, it's not a hard to find deal either. If it was the same price on a rare vintage Kay, American Standard, etc. you might want to make the trip, but it's not like you won't ever find a similar deal if you pass on this one.

Also, not to derail or anything, but "thump" to me is a positive thing. Rather than indistinct and mushy, I associate it to a powerful, percussive tone you can feel. It's an attribute that can really help drive a drummer-less group. That being said, string choice and setup can increase/decrease this on any good sounding bass.
 
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I think there's a way to use a boomy, ambiguous thump judiciously in bluegrass. A lot of the first generation of bluegrass bassers were probably playing ply basses with gut strings and outrageous string height. Whether or not that was their preference in terms of sound or they were just limited by the gear, it became "the sound" associated with the genre because those players are who we hear on the records. There's also the issue of bluegrass gigs not paying enough to warrant strapping a nice carved bass to the roof of the car :laugh: I gig with my Kay but I play my carved bass when rehearsals are at my house. It's a different sound that does different things, I wouldn't put a higher or lower value on the sound until the bow comes out, ha! In fact I tend to prefer the dark bloom of the Kay for grass, though the pitch is not ambiguous with spirocores..
 
Buzzard Hill? Good Golly! That tops "Burnt Corn" as an AL town name. Wish I'd known of this five years ago. Jax State could have sent you all our turkey buzzards.

For $500 I'd give that bass serious consideration (but with eyes open as to potential flaws), and I don't even need a DB at present.
 
If you're willing to drive 150 miles a few times. I'd save up and drive 300 or so miles to Nashville to check out real basses at real retailers (Gruhn's, Carters Vintage, Corner Music, etc). Or head there for SPGMA in February, where there are nearly always a few vintage Kays for sale for not big $.
 
Thanks for all the replies, everybody. I'm learning the ins and outs here as I go. I may have a lead on a local DB, not sure of the brand yet, but it's at least one that I can check out locally without making a long drive, and the price is in line with the "no name" that I found earlier. I'll keep y'all posted.
 
I dunno - I don't mean anything negative when I speak of a bass as a BG thumper. To me, a good thumper requires both how the bass feels to play, and how it sounds. Not all that common to find a plywood box - new or old - that excels at both. You can play a heck of a lot of pricey carved basses with all manner of setups which can't thump like a well setup ply. I've got an Englehardt that cost a grand. I've got it set up exactly the way I like it, and I get all manner of compliments about the sound. I was at one pro's home, looking at possibly buying one of his many old basses. He gave mine a try and said simply, "You don't need a new bass!" Of course, mine is a challenge to bow... ;)

I looked at many many Kays, Epis, Kings, as well as old carved/hybrids. My wife is a luthier and, in her opinion, what you are looking for is little more than a solid box. And she sees no reason to believe the older boxes are constructed more solidly than the new ones. So she has never been keen on my spending $$$ on some old plywood, just to give her a potential project. Just one opinion.

Plus, there is the undeniable benefit of not worrying about every little dent and ding as you haul it around...

Re: the comments about not playing just 1-4-5. I play in a weekly 4-5 hour jam. Every once in a while, I'll intentionally keep the bassline as simple as possible. Just trying to be as steady as possible. I mean really taking it to the extreme. And an embarrassing amount of the time I'm convinced that that is what is best for the music. Often when I start adding something extra in, a friend of mine will jokingly ask me if I was getting bored or something! ;)

But that is in a jam of 6-12 pickers. I play in a small string band. There are 4 of us, but sometimes we play w/ just 3 or even 2 of us. I find it wonderfully challenging to adjust my playing to the different personnel. W/ 4 players, you want to stay out of each others' way. And you want to make sure you are not just copying what someone else is already doing - unless intentionally for dynamics/emphasis. But when there are only 2-3 of you, the opposite is true, and you may need to fill space. Last Sat it was just me an a fiddler. On one song she sang to my solo bass accompaniment. That was fun!

But now, as I'm trying to do more than just backup jams, I'm looking into the possibility of a different bass... I COULD have my wife try to set my Engle up differently, but I don't want to mess with what it does so strongly.

And one more thing. I often think that I'm almost getting away w/ a scam in being able to play w/ talented pickers. Because TO ME, keeping the solid beat is so natural. And since it is so natural to me, it seems simpler than all the fancy stuff the other pickers are doing. Sometimes when they compliment me, it is almost embarrassing - but I have to realize that I do not appreciate how my contribution seems TO THEM. But then, you hear a group w/o a bass - or w/ a timid/unsteady bass - and you realize how much you DO contribute.

I often think it would be fun if we could all hear each others' instruments - and the overall music - the way the other pickers hear it. And know what is simple/difficult for the other pickers in different songs/styles.

(Full disclosure - tho BG is my wheelhouse, I play just as much oldtime/Americana/etc.)

Just the ramblings of one old thumper! :D
 
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Excellent post, Ed. Your insight on simplicity matches my thoughts on the subject completely. I have been a drummer since the age of 7, so rhythm comes as naturally to me as melody does to others. Back in the 90's I was playing my friend's old Kay at a string band jam, and all I was doing was the basic 1-4-5. Due to the projection of the bass, I was even having a hard time hearing myself play. But others complimented me at the end of the session on how the bass was booming, and that they had never had a bass player laying down such a consistent tempo. I left the session feeling a lot better about my very rudimentary, but accurate playing.
 
Another older guy here who's happily in the thumper camp. While my background is mostly in jazz/r&b, I'm now playing in a "NewGrass" band with accomplished players that are half my age. I've come to realize that like most things bass, my role primarily is to lock in the rhythm and provide a foundation for the other players so that as solo instruments, they can sound at their best. Like others have said, my mantras now are keep it simple; play in tune, and in time. Occasionally I get to step out for a solo, but honestly its almost harder to solo in a bluegrass setting than in jazz with a drummer, because when I drop out of the rhythm lane, the drive of the song drops off a bit.

They are very appreciative of what I do, and honestly the band has never sounded better (although I do wish that I could talk them into practicing together once in a while). OP, kudos to you for taking care of your wife. I wish you the best and hope that you find a bass soon that works for you. Like others have said, patience is the key. I'll send you a pm - I have some strings that you might be able to use if you find a bass.
 

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