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This is why Gibson sucks at making basses...

They kill off all the decent models and just keep the other ones. Granted the Thunderbirds are definitely far from junk and the SG styled ones have their place as well,

Gibson Grabber
Gibson Ripper
Gibson Q80
Gibson Victory
Gibson Money Bass
Gibson Tobias Growler
Gibson Tobias Killer B

Why did they let these beautiful instruments die??

It also gets to me that they took the Tobias Toby and made it into an entry level beginners bass! Granted I am considering getting one because I don't have a 5ver and don't really need one, but when you factor in the upgrades that would have to be done to make it stage worthy, is it really worth it?
It’s because Gibson is a Guitar Company that also makes Basses, not the other way around. Could they change that ?, sure, but highly unlikely.
 
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This is why I dont buy used Gibsons online, I just simply cant afford them
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I know for at where I speak on this one. It’s nice and all that but way overpriced. Especially being the Case seems rather dismal. IF your are looking for something like this, the one you want is the “Custom” model. Pretty much all the features of the Artist, without the 9v thing. Fairly hard to come by for some reason. If you ABSOLUTELY have to have one of these, send me a PM. I can pretty much tell you what to look for. Pretty easy to buy more BS than Bass here. Just an FYI.
 
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Gee @Hevy T 'm just a bass player can't really think about such things.
Howza come we have a pandemic? Why iz there cheese? Where does the snow go?
 
I dig vintage Gibson basses but not enough to spend the $$$ on one. If I was in the market for a Gibson bass I’d definitely get a Japanese “version”..i.e Orville, Greco, even a MIJ Epiphone. They’re probably less expensive than a US Gibson and have less quality control issues(based on what I hear from my guitarist friends).

The problem is that Orville and Epiphone Elitist (MIJ) series rival the prices of used Gibbys on the bass market. Greco isn't that far behind. While the QC is excellent, they have a different playing feel from Gibsons which may or may not work to one's preference. So for one and only Gibson experience you might be better off with the real thing.

This is coming from a guy who loves his Orville EB-3. The only reason I may decide to part with it someday is its baseball bat neck which is nothing like any Gibson I've ever played, and I've played a lot of them.

If one is into old Gibson basses, they are still beyond inexpensive compared to everything else from the same era.
 
The problem is that Orville and Epiphone Elitist (MIJ) series rival the prices of used Gibbys on the bass market. Greco isn't that far behind. While the QC is excellent, they have a different playing feel from Gibsons which may or may not work to one's preference. So for one and only Gibson experience you might be better off with the real thing.

This is coming from a guy who loves his Orville EB-3. The only reason I may decide to part with it someday is its baseball bat neck which is nothing like any Gibson I've ever played, and I've played a lot of them.

If one is into old Gibson basses, they are still beyond inexpensive compared to everything else from the same era.
Well said!
I lack the sample size to disagree.
 
...owned several Gibson basses over the years (they were useful, but nothing special)... I have a Toby for a backup that is WAY better than any Gibson instrument I've owned... but hey, personal opinion only. YMMV.
 
They kill off all the decent models and just keep the other ones. Granted the Thunderbirds are definitely far from junk and the SG styled ones have their place as well,

Gibson Grabber
Gibson Ripper
Gibson Q80
Gibson Victory
Gibson Money Bass
Gibson Tobias Growler
Gibson Tobias Killer B

Why did they let these beautiful instruments die??

It also gets to me that they took the Tobias Toby and made it into an entry level beginners bass! Granted I am considering getting one because I don't have a 5ver and don't really need one, but when you factor in the upgrades that would have to be done to make it stage worthy, is it really worth it?

This doesn't prove they suck at making basses; it proves they suck at making a profit selling basses. I have played Rippers, Victories, and Gibson era Tobies that I thought were fabulous basses.