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This is why Gibson sucks at making basses...

The Tobias probably didn't sell at the price point that was offered, because people said, "Gibson sucks at making Basses". So they lowered the quality to meet a more attractive price point.

Probably because the high end instruments weren't selling well enough so Gibson took all of the bass companies they bought...Tobias, Kramer and Steinberger...and after a few years slowly turned them into cheap import-only lines that traded on the brand-name cred.

Anyone remember Musicyo? It was a direct mail order outfit that if not owned by Gibson was certainly tightly intertwined with them. They were a precursor to outfits like Rondo. Sold a lot of instruments I suppose, but drove the cred of those brands into the ground.

Wel, that was their decision to make and if we disagree with it, OK.

I wouldn't say Gibson sucks at making basses, what they suck at is marketing basses. If they can get people to pay $6000+ for a Les Paul they should have been able to sell some high end basses. I recall seeing fewer ads for those brands after Gibson bought them, not more. I saw fewer of those basses in stores, perhaps due to Gibson's preference for requiring franchises to order minimum amounts of each instrument...want to sell Les Pauls, you have to buy some banjos too. There were no such requirements for Epiphones, whcih is why you used to go into a store and see Epis but not Gibsons on the floor.
 
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Personally, I cant stand the LP shabe for a bass guitar, but hey, that's an opinion.

These guys just didn't appear to take bass makin seriously. Just took their guitars and made em.. "bassier"..

"Hey guys, this guitar doesn't sound bassy enough.. waay too trebly ..(thru this open back guitar amp).. . Leos P bass has a pickup in that so called sweet spot. How bout we move the pickup even further away from the bridge?, and just to make sure people play it this way, only give em the 1 pickup..at the neck.. :D

DONE!!

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Hmm.. sounds GRREAT.. but is there a way to mount the pickup ON the neck..just to be sure?..
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JMO, of course..
and yes, I have played the silly things too. would NEVER own one personally. :cool:
We all get our opinions.
 
Not true. It’s sadly common for a business to kill off a product which sells well, but loses money (or just doesn’t make enough).
well that was kind of implied but ill go back and edit my post to save all the "gotchas".

Edit: cant edit my previous post but what I meant was...assuming a company has done their homework with developing a product (they did some sort of research and priced it accordingly), a great selling product would not be killed off most times unless something completely unforeseen comes up. Neither seems to apply to Gibsons bass building division lol
 
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Personally, I cant stand the LP shabe for a bass guitar, but hey, that's an opinion.

These guys just didn't appear to take bass makin seriously. Just took their guitars and made em.. "bassier"..

"Hey guys, this guitar doesn't sound bassy enough.. waay too trebly ..(thru this open back guitar amp).. . Leos P bass has a pickup in that so called sweet spot. How bout we move the pickup even further away from the bridge?, and just to make sure people play it this way, only give em the 1 pickup..at the neck.. :D

DONE!!

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Hmm.. sounds GRREAT.. but is there a way to mount the pickup ON the neck..just to be sure?..
:roflmao:





JMO, of course..
and yes, I have played the silly things too. would NEVER own one personally. :cool:
We all get our opinions.

You just aren't one of them "Brown Note" fanboys :D
 
Not sure Gibson sucks at building basses but they sure did a fantastic job on all the ones I have. Glad they still make the SG bass. Best bass for the money. It's all just apples and oranges. Why build models that don't produce enough profit? You can pretty much buy any model they ever made if you shop around some. I definitely would not say Gibson sucks at building just because they discontinued a model. It sucks for those looking for something they can't find or want to pay for. Keep searching and saving that $$. That dreamy Gibson Bass is somewhere just waiting for a new owner.
 
They don't suck at making basses. Every Gibson bass I played was nice, especially the EB's from a few years ago.

What they do suck at is managing the bass side of the business. They've pulled models before they could get a following.

People who worked for Gibson and were involved in their bass instruments have said in several places that it's mostly a lack of interest and commitment on Gibson's part. The company (so far) has never really been that interested in producing bass guitars because, as the upper management mindset went: "Gibson is a guitar company, not a bass company." Basses received minuscule to zero support from their marketing people. So anything new that wasn't an immediate smash hit was doomed. Sorta like what happened at Fender with their superb Dimension basses. Fender was too committed to milking their two cash cow basses for every cent they could get to want to entertain the possible risk of cannibalizing their own brand with a new bass design.
 
I have to disagree with your statement about PRS. I have a Grainger 10 Top 4 string and sold my Fender Deluxe P Bass because I preferred the feel and sound. There is a negligible volume drop if I have to go from active to passive mid performance. I had also owned a Kestrel and a Kingfisher (both SE Basses). I liked them both better than several MIM Fenders.

Oh I know some people will like and even love them as we all have different tastes/need. I guess what I was trying to say is that given their expertise and history, I see no reason they arent offering basses on par or at least in the ballpark as MTD, Roscoe, Elrick, Zon, etc.
 
They kill off all the decent models and just keep the other ones. Granted the Thunderbirds are definitely far from junk and the SG styled ones have their place as well,

Gibson Grabber
Gibson Ripper
Gibson Q80
Gibson Victory
Gibson Money Bass
Gibson Tobias Growler
Gibson Tobias Killer B

Why did they let these beautiful instruments die??

It also gets to me that they took the Tobias Toby and made it into an entry level beginners bass! Granted I am considering getting one because I don't have a 5ver and don't really need one, but when you factor in the upgrades that would have to be done to make it stage worthy, is it really worth it?

The Tobias Toby Bass was low priced imported bass back in the day. I bought one from a pawn shop. It was cheap,and felt cheap. I own a 1978 Gibson Ripper bass and it does what it does. In the end, it's all about sells and if a model isn't selling, the company is losing money and that is the deciding factor for the life of any manufactured instrument.
 
Had a couple Rippers that sounded great, but made me feel like I was standing behind a giant Lollipop. Just didn't feel right. Had a Victory that was like 16 lbs. Sounded okay, but again felt reaaaaalllly long on me. Played another player's Les Paul Bass the day he got it in '04 onstage. Sounded anemic no matter what. Felt odd again. Jammed on bout every model I could in stores in '80s and '90s. There is just always something that put me off with nearly every Gibson I've tried. That being said, I STILL DIG watching and hearing the Gibson players. Kind of Dark Horses against the grain.
 
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IMO, Gibson guitars and basses are notoriously overpriced. I mean, c'mon... $3,000 for a Les Paul Standard and nearly $5,000 for a LP Custom! Gibson never really made much of an effort to compete with the likes of Fender/Squire as far as "bang for the buck" is concerned.
Gibson has tried several times to make a line to compete with the Squier. Most recently, the Made in USA 2017 Gibson S series. They all sold new for $300 - $800. The press and media reviews originally bashed them, but they are so loved by the people who bought them, that they almost never come up for sale on the used market. When they do they sell for double or triple what they sold for new, 3 years ago. The only exception being, the Firebird Zero guitar. Used, they are still plentiful, but still sell for double their original cost. I have one of these Firebirds, and though I did change the bridge, it is one of the easiest playing, best sounding, and absolutely most comfortable guitars I’ve ever owned. Why they didn’t sell more than Squier’s, I’ll never understand. I’m sure being USA made, they didn’t have the ability to keep up with the large quantity of Indonesian made brands. They quit making them after 1 year. I believe there is some kind of preconceived bias against a cheap Gibson. They keep trying to compete - but people just don’t buy them.
 
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Gibson has always tried to protect their top end and thus insisted on changing headstock shapes for the Epi's. Which looks hideous. I think if they put straight up Gibson headstocks and logos and made subtler changes on their $600-800 guitars it would be a LOT more palatable to customers.
 
Gibson has always tried to protect their top end and thus insisted on changing headstock shapes for the Epi's. Which looks hideous. I think if they put straight up Gibson headstocks and logos and made subtler changes on their $600-800 guitars it would be a LOT more palatable to customers.
They do use the Gibson style headstocks for the Thunderbirds. But, there are a lot of Epiphone fans, who would rather have the vintage Epiphone style headstock on an Epiphone - than a Gibson headstock on an Epiphone. I believe that is their reasoning for it.
 
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Epiphone always had its own head stock shape because it used to be an independent company until bought by Gibson in the 50's and until 1970 or so Epi's were very nice instruments. Really equal to Gibson in quality but priced lower. An Epiphone Rivoli bass is every bit of an EB 2 in the 1960s.

What many don't consider is that these EBO, EB2 and EB3 designs go back to the early days of electric bass. When Gibson wanted to put the sound of an upright bass into the hands of a guitar player. So short scale necks and very powerful bass pickups were the norm and many players loved Gibson basses when you played in a band with a small amp and needed to fill the room with bass tone. I knew many bassists in the 60's loved their EB Os. They even called it the working man's bass even though i preferred a Fender bass.
The company is kind of shackled to produce their traditional designs because there is a market for those instruments. Albeit smaller than what it used to be.
 
Valley Arts and MusicYo era Steinbergers were really nice. Gibson didn't put any effort into keeping these brands alive.
I remember MusicYo as a bright innovative company. Great ads, nice colorful interesting guitars and basses, and affordable accessories. I didn't know Gibson killed that one too. Seems like Gibson has the finger of death on its acquisitions...
 
Personally, I cant stand the LP shabe for a bass guitar, but hey, that's an opinion.

These guys just didn't appear to take bass makin seriously. Just took their guitars and made em.. "bassier"..

"Hey guys, this guitar doesn't sound bassy enough.. waay too trebly ..(thru this open back guitar amp).. . Leos P bass has a pickup in that so called sweet spot. How bout we move the pickup even further away from the bridge?, and just to make sure people play it this way, only give em the 1 pickup..at the neck.. :D

DONE!!

View attachment 3797591

Hmm.. sounds GRREAT.. but is there a way to mount the pickup ON the neck..just to be sure?..
:roflmao:
JMO, of course..
and yes, I have played the silly things too. would NEVER own one personally. :cool:
We all get our opinions.
That's my 1970 EB-0L. Bet you found that pic from an old GC online used listing. You'd have to pry it from my cold dead hands. Though doesn't sound like you'd bother. Lol
C'est la Vie
 
My issue wasn't with Gibson but with their customer service. I bought a brand new bass, it shipped with a broken nut. Rather than ship it back to them, I had the nut replaced. They invalidated my warranty as a result. I sold it off and vowed to never give them a nickel again.
That is pretty standard warranty procedure for any expensive item. Try that with unauthorized repairs on a new car, or new refrigerator, and you’ll get the same result. Not just Gibson.
 
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