Thunderbird Club

[WillyW]

Either. There is one for sale up here and the seller wants $2k for it. The tolex is rated out, too. Nice cab, but the one in Albuquerque is priced as it should be.

I should buy the 2k one, it would go with the epi thunderbird with the 7ender neck for $1200…


What acoustic bass head would go with it? I’m pretty sure the 150 is the geetar head for it.

 

[GonePlaid]

Same.
I think it'll be interesting to see what the differences in the sound of these cabs will be; with the same speaker in both, powered by the same head.

I wonder how the larger, newer cab will sound compared to the smaller, older cab?

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I'm gonna say "newer, larger, and furrier".
(Big help, right?)

 

[Gaolee]

I should buy the 2k one, it would go with the epi thunderbird with the 7ender neck for $1200…


What acoustic bass head would go with it? I’m pretty sure the 150 is the geetar head for it.

You can plug a bass into a 150 head. I would probably look for a 320 head, but I am a little biased. I had a 320 and ran it through a 408 cabinet. It was a toss up whether to keep that stack or the 360 stack when it was time for one or the other to go. I wouldn't look got a 370 head. I don't like those as much.

As far as what ACC thought you should do, I don't know.

 

[GonePlaid]

Is this a bass or guitar cab?

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[WillyW]

You can plug a bass into a 150 head. I would probably look for a 320 head, but I am a little biased. I had a 320 and ran it through a 408 cabinet. It was a toss up whether to keep that stack or the 360 stack when it was time for one or the other to go. I wouldn't look got a 370 head. I don't like those as much.

As far as what ACC thought you should do, I don't know.

320, I’ll consider that sage advice…

although I should still get the 150 for treble geetar purposes…

even though I really don’t need and more cabs or heads….

really don’t…

let me see if I can list my crap off the top of my head..

treble geetar…

combo
Marshall ds1
Bastard 7ender blues jr (12” twin)

base geetar

heads
Ampeg svt6 pro
Ampeg pf50t
Genz-Benz shuttlemax 9.2

cabs
Ampeg pf410hlf
Ampeg pf210he
Ampeg pr410hlf
Ampeg svt210av
Yorkville xc808

combo
Ampeg ba410

I think that’s it..

 

[GBassNorth]

I’m tempted to throw $200 at it…

what would the 6 100w speakers rate it at?

there is also a fubared… I mean “upgraded” ampeg 810..

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Probably just me, but I found out a long time ago that I could massage a fubar’d bass back to life and make it quite respectable sounding. I have never had that kind of luck with bass cabs (guitar cabs yes, not bass). IME bass cabs are pretty finicky beasts that just don’t sound right without the right speakers for the cab.

I’m not a sound engineer or a cab designer but I’m a firm believer that there is a ton of interaction between the speakers and the box and the baffle size and location and the soundboard and even the bracing and quality of the wood used. To the point that I don’t even mess around with off spec speaker switch outs anymore (again, open back guitar cabs yes, bass cabs no).

Just my experience, YMMD.

 

[WillyW]

Probably just me, but I found out a long time ago that I could massage a fubar’d bass back to life and make it quite respectable sounding. I have never had that kind of luck with bass cabs (guitar cabs yes, not bass). IME bass cabs are pretty finicky beasts that just don’t sound right without the right speakers for the cab.

I’m not a sound engineer or a cab designer but I’m a firm believer that there is a ton of interaction between the speakers and the box and the baffle size and location and the soundboard and even the bracing and quality of the wood used. To the point that I don’t even mess around with off spec speaker switch outs anymore (again, open back guitar cabs yes, bass cabs no).

Just my experience, YMMD.

I’m thinkin I have to agree with you, don’t mess with the bass cabs.

But geetar cabs? mess away…

my 7ender blues bastard has 12” English celestions in a dumpster dive cab and sounds great.

 

[GBassNorth]

I’m thinkin I have to agree with you, don’t mess with the bass cabs.

But geetar cabs? mess away…

my 7ender blues bastard has 12” English celestions in a dumpster dive cab and sounds great.

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That’s the ticket!

With open back guitar cabs, I felt that I was largely hearing the design attributes of the individual speakers with very little impact from the enclosure. So speaker changes to fine tune or tailor the sound the way I wanted it was relatively straight forward.

I never found that true on a bass cab. Off spec speakers may or may not sound better and even if they sounded better there was usually some other trade off like weight gain or volume drop or range reduction or early break up. Just ain’t worth it. Buy good quality bass cabs that sound the way you want and keep ‘em stock.

TBH - After I found Bergantino bass cabs I completely stopped looking at any other brand. Zero cab GAS for almost 20 years now. I’ll put my 610 Berg up against any 810 Ampeg fridge and just blow it away on volume, clarity, bottom end and punch. If you’re ever in the market for a fridge killer PM me.

 

[WillyW]

That’s the ticket!

With open back guitar cabs, I felt that I was largely hearing the design attributes of the individual speakers with very little impact from the enclosure. So speaker changes to fine tune or tailor the sound the way I wanted it was relatively straight forward.

I never found that true on a bass cab. Off spec speakers may or may not sound better and even if they sounded better there was usually some other trade off like weight gain or volume drop or range reduction or early break up. Just ain’t worth it. Buy good quality bass cabs that sound the way you want and keep ‘em stock.

TBH - After I found Bergantino bass cabs I completely stopped looking at any other brand. Zero cab GAS for almost 20 years now. I’ll put my 610 Berg up against any 810 Ampeg fridge and just blow it away on volume, clarity, bottom end and punch. If you’re ever in the market for a fridge killer PM me.

I started my serious base playing in the last 3 years or so..

I started with a 50w crate combo, and was looking seriously at mainly going direct…

I have fallen so far from that goal… my pr410 and xc808 are just a few lbs lighter than a fridge, and I’m still lusting after a fridge….

I would be interested in a fridge killer too…

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

I wish I was free last week when you were in Indy and I could have brought it up one afternoon/evening. That's only a 2 hr drive. But I was busy and had two meetings.

It's actually the least comfortable bass I own. I've never put a strap button at the base of the neck, so it's a gold medal neck diver--even with a good strap. I might do that one day. Sure would make it balance better and more enjoyable to play. It's not going to hurt the value much, if at all. The neck feels like the '64 Thunderbird, so that feels great.

yeah, definitely would have been cool to have had more notice….forgot how close everything is around those parts….

 

[PhR75]

I had a fridge (if an 8x10" is that) I never really connected with. It was a '94 810E and with the Hiwatt I always found it a bit undistinct and lacking the mids unless I could really crank the amp (and it was basically impossible because...well, it's a Hiwatt for chrissakes).
I never had the guts to try it with the Lab Series amps because they need the 8 ohm load although some people use them with a 4 ohm load seemingly without problems.

Anyway, I'm pretty happy with my current cabinet "collection" which consists of two 8 ohm cabs:
EBS CL210
Ashdown ABM410

With a Palmer combiner box (connects the cabs in series) I can use both with the Labs if needed and the Hiwatt "eats" both easily in parallel.
If I should leave just one cab the Ashdown would be my choice as it has plenty of noise for bigger stages too.

 

[PillO]

Recording is a breeze, figuring out how to post those recordings on TB is the tricky part.

Recording is easy. Not playing like a hack is difficult.

 

[PhR75]

Palmer combiner box

Which of course is this:

 

[BklynKen]

I’m tempted to throw $200 at it…

It would be cheaper to just throw some panties at it.

 

[dagrev]

That’s the ticket!

With open back guitar cabs, I felt that I was largely hearing the design attributes of the individual speakers with very little impact from the enclosure. So speaker changes to fine tune or tailor the sound the way I wanted it was relatively straight forward.

I never found that true on a bass cab. Off spec speakers may or may not sound better and even if they sounded better there was usually some other trade off like weight gain or volume drop or range reduction or early break up. Just ain’t worth it. Buy good quality bass cabs that sound the way you want and keep ‘em stock.

TBH - After I found Bergantino bass cabs I completely stopped looking at any other brand. Zero cab GAS for almost 20 years now. I’ll put my 610 Berg up against any 810 Ampeg fridge and just blow it away on volume, clarity, bottom end and punch. If you’re ever in the market for a fridge killer PM me.

I used to play through a couple of these Jensen cabs. Mine were two 115s. I got two of them for next to nothing maybe in 79. Very shallow cab and very punchy and full sounding. Nearly indestructible. After I got my Peavey 2x15 I put one on either side of the drum riser. I went through the one on the guitar side and the guitar went through the one on my side. Not idea, but it evened up of the sound when the PA was just FOH.

 

[TBird1958]

It would be cheaper to just throw some panties at it.

Panties.....Wait what did I miss?!

 

[WillyW]

Panties.....Wait what did I miss?!

 

[GonePlaid]

yeah, definitely would have been cool to have had more notice….forgot how close everything is around those parts….

That's what happens when you're used to distances in FL/CA.

 

[dagrev]

That's what happens when you're used to distances in FL/CA.

Wait a minute. Just how many states are there?

 

[GonePlaid]

Wait a minute. Just how many states are there?

Well, when you add in altered states there are...erm,...uhh,...a bunch.
Then there's the red ones, and the blue ones, and state of mind, and Statesville, GA, and Statesville, NC, and........