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Thunderbird Club

Hi, Club.
I’m thinking of making a NR Non Reverse. Has anyone used a Rosser NR body?

I’ve seen one or two “regular” thunderbird bodies on here but no NR’s.

I think it will be NR body, single DarkStar, Badass bridge, and I think I’ll get a neck with a paddle to make more of an EB-O style headstock. Unless someone makes a fender pocket bolt on neck with that headstock?

Not sure of finish, right now Danish oil, but that could change.
I’m in the middle of a couple of NR builds utilizing Rosser bodies. One is a standard 1960’s NR tribute with some performance tweaks to my taste, and the other is a Fender Telecaster Modern Player transplant into a NR body to capitalize on the Tbird ergonomics that fit me better than the Fender ergonomics.

Neither build is 100% complete yet but the 1960’s tribute has been fit tested and sound checked before handing it over to the finisher to paint. The Tele NR is ready for pickup routing but currently a basic NR slab.

Preliminary observations on the Rosser NR body:

The raw mahogany wood used has excellent grain structure and multi piece slabs are perfectly matched with no obvious grain or seam issues. The body is a slab design, no tummy cut and no forearm contour. Body weight is what it is, according to their eBay listing Rosser will not hand select a light weight body for you, you get what you get. Mine is on the heavy side, but on a thunderbird that actually helps balance the body better (look for light weight necks and tuners to reduce the overall weight of the bass).

The neck pocket is a perfect light press fit for a licensed Fender P bass or Jazz bass neck. The standard pickup routes are 1960’s vintage size and location correct on the neck pickup and about 1/4” closer to the neck on the bridge pickup. The pre drilled Fender bridge position and ground wire route is exactly correct for a Fender high mass bridge. To stay relatively true to thunderbird aesthetics I am using an Epiphone VP two piece bridge, so I needed to fill the Fender bridge mounting screw holes. The ground wire route coincidentally aligned exactly with the Epiphone bridge anchor for proper grounding. The control cavity is small and narrow. It is properly sized for Alpha pots but larger CTS pots might be a bit tight.

Rosser does provide a control cavity cover but not a pickguard. I designed my own pickguard and had it professionally fabricated by a club member here, he still has the template and can use it to make a pickguard for other Rosser NR IV bodies.

For the price the Rosser body is a hard deal to beat, but don’t lose sight of the fact that the total build can easily exceed $1000 if you are paying someone else to finish the neck and body.

Here’s a progress pic of the NR 1960’s Tribute build fit test prior to the forearm and belly contours as I was shipping the body off to the finisher for a Fender Shoreline Gold Metallic finish.
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Pre assembly…
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And along side my Burgundy Red Gibson 2021 NR for reference…
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I’m in the middle of a couple of NR builds utilizing Rosser bodies. One is a standard 1960’s NR tribute with some performance tweaks to my taste, and the other is a Fender Telecaster Modern Player transplant into a NR body to capitalize on the Tbird ergonomics that fit me better than the Fender ergonomics.

Neither build is 100% complete yet but the 1960’s tribute has been fit tested and sound checked before handing it over to the finisher to paint. The Tele NR is ready for pickup routing but currently a basic NR slab.

Preliminary observations on the Rosser NR body:

The raw mahogany wood used has excellent grain structure and multi piece slabs are perfectly matched with no obvious grain or seam issues. The body is a slab design, no tummy cut and no forearm contour. Body weight is what it is, according to their eBay listing Rosser will not hand select a light weight body for you, you get what you get. Mine is on the heavy side, but on a thunderbird that actually helps balance the body better (look for light weight necks and tuners to reduce the overall weight of the bass).

The neck pocket is a perfect light press fit for a licensed Fender P bass or Jazz bass neck. The standard pickup routes are 1960’s vintage size and location correct on the neck pickup and about 1/4” closer to the neck on the bridge pickup. The pre drilled Fender bridge position and ground wire route is exactly correct for a Fender high mass bridge. To stay relatively true to thunderbird aesthetics I am using an Epiphone VP two piece bridge, so I needed to fill the Fender bridge mounting screw holes. The ground wire route coincidentally aligned exactly with the Epiphone bridge anchor for proper grounding. The control cavity is small and narrow. It is properly sized for Alpha pots but larger CTS pots might be a bit tight.

Rosser does provide a control cavity cover but not a pickguard. I designed my own pickguard and had it professionally fabricated by a club member here, he still has the template and can use it to make a pickguard for other Rosser NR IV bodies.

For the price the Rosser body is a hard deal to beat, but don’t lose sight of the fact that the total build can easily exceed $1000 if you are paying someone else to finish the neck and body.

Here’s a progress pic of the NR 1960’s Tribute build fit test prior to the forearm and belly contours as I was shipping the body off to the finisher for a Fender Shoreline Gold Metallic finish.
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Pre assembly…
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And along side my Burgundy Red Gibson 2021 NR for reference…
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wonder why the different (Eppi like) pot locations.....patent issues?...
 

I deep belly cut and arm contoured my ash 51 body and I'm maybe just over 9lbs...

the headless NR is going to get some contouring maybe... I need to weigh it to be sure... I can't remember the total weight on it, but overall weight was a deciding factor on making it headless

and I hate belly and arm contouring....

ergonomics are for the weak....

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wonder why the different (Eppi like) pot locations.....patent issues?...

He has a few changes I think to keep him out of trouble with the Gibstone gangstas...

He will omit features, or do different pickup configurations sometimes.

He does make good stuff, but there are I think 3 different makers I have used for bodies.... all of them good.

He wouldn't make an exploder body for me, I had to go elsewhere.
 
I would certainly consider these, everyone that uses them likes them a lot.
| Lollar Pickups (lollarguitars.com)

When I got my most recent one Spencer Lull explained to me that he decided not to dell them separately any more as they did not want to dilute the Lull name.
That’s probably where I’m headed. Good rep, available in chrome, and from all accounts, a good guy to buy from. Fair price.

What do folks suggest for a BaCH II? Just curious. A 7.9k neck pickup or the higher output 9k bridge pickup? I’m leaning toward the one specked as a bridge pickup. The hotter the better?
 
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He has a few changes I think to keep him out of trouble with the Gibstone gangstas...

He will omit features, or do different pickup configurations sometimes.

He does make good stuff, but there are I think 3 different makers I have used for bodies.... all of them good.

He wouldn't make an exploder body for me, I had to go elsewhere.
An Exploder. Great name for a bass!
 
Other than his name and the fact that he plays a bass, I know nothing about Mike Watt either. So I looked up his information…

“Michael David Watt is an American bassist, vocalist and songwriter. Watt co-founded and played bass guitar for the rock bands Minutemen, Dos, and Firehose. He began a solo career with the 1994 album Ball-Hog or Tugboat?, he has since released three additional solo albums, most recently in 2010 with Hyphenated-man.”

After reading that, I still don’t know anything about Mike Watt. I can’t name one song he played on, and have never heard of any of the bands he’s been in, or any of their songs. All I can assume is he at least played a thunderbird at some point (most of the pics I saw of him playing were non thunderbird basses) and is probably an excellent player. Obviously I need to do a deeper dive.

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Other than his name and the fact that he plays a bass, I know nothing about Mike Watt either. So I looked up his information…

“Michael David Watt is an American bassist, vocalist and songwriter. Watt co-founded and played bass guitar for the rock bands Minutemen, Dos, and Firehose. He began a solo career with the 1994 album Ball-Hog or Tugboat?, he has since released three additional solo albums, most recently in 2010 with Hyphenated-man.”

After reading that, I still don’t know anything about Mike Watt. I can’t name one song he played on, and have never heard of any of the bands he’s been in, or any of their songs. All I can assume is he at least played a thunderbird at some point (most of the pics I saw of him playing were non thunderbird basses) and is probably an excellent player. Obviously I need to do a deeper dive.
He’s also been the touring bass player for the latest version of the Stooges. If you are Gov’t Mule fan, he played the cover of CCR’s Effigy on Deep End vol. 1. He mostly plays short scale basses live because of injuries/ old age. I own a Reverend Wattplower which is his signature short scale.
 
wonder why the different (Eppi like) pot locations.....patent issues?...
Might be patent issues, but I doubt a different control layout would keep him out of trouble. I suspect it’s more an ease of routing and routing time reduction, or just a design detail he chose. It’s very basic and pretty minimalist…
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That’s probably where I’m headed. Good rep, available in chrome, and from all accounts, a good guy to buy from. Fair price.
What do folks suggest for a BaCH II? Just curious. A 7.9k neck pickup or the higher output 9k bridge pickup? I’m leaning toward the one specked as a bridge pickup. The hotter the better?
Single pickup, absolutely go with the bridge spec!
On my BlingBird I went with bridge/bridge/neck. I only went with the lower output neck pup at the heel of the neck because I was afraid it would overpower the other two pickups if all three were bridges.
 
Hey, look what FedEx dropped off today:

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2012 Thunderbird Studio.
Beautiful! Is that your first? Congratulations! What year?

What strings will you use? I’m partial to stainless steel rounds, especially on Tbirds with Tbird+ pickups. I like SIT Power Steels and Dunlop Marcus Miller Superbrights. They help bring out the angry piano and growl tone.
 
Nice! But I don't think that's a studio. It has the raised center section and a standard headstock.
It’s incredibly light, around 8.5 pounds. It was labeled as a studio, but it is neck through, not set neck. I looked up the SN, all that I have in that is that it was made on 1 Mar 2012 in Nashville.
 
Hey, look what FedEx dropped off today:

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2012 Thunderbird Studio.

Beautiful Cherry Reverse! It is the standard version, which I really like and they're quite heavenly when you change out the hardware for chrome bits. Let me know if you would like a club number and congratulations on a gorgeous bass!


Here's a Studio, note the flat one piece slab body, 2/3 headstock, different bridge and PG.

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Beautiful! Is that your first? Congratulations! What year?

What strings will you use? I’m partial to stainless steel rounds, especially on Tbirds with Tbird+ pickups. I like SIT Power Steels and Dunlop Marcus Miller Superbrights. They help bring out the angry piano and growl tone.
It is my first Tbird. I really like the neck so far. Very comfortable. And despite the rumors, no neck dive. LaBella DTF flats.