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I can't remember the last time I had a proper 'cooked breakfast'.

To gird myself for a day's walking in the damp and chilly Scottish countryside my breakfast of choice was a kipper followed by porridge. Normally on week mornings (in town) it was toast with marmite or vegemite.

The weekends were a different story - bacon and/or sausages AND/or black pudding with tinned tomatoes and/or fried mushrooms, baked beans, toast and brown sauce. Sometimes the sausage was Scottish Lorne (aka 'square sausage'). I have been known to wolf down a couple of tattie scones or even fried bread, but only if it was served when we were out. I don't eat eggs. Disclaimer: I have never eaten haggis for breakfast.
 
I can't remember the last time I had a proper 'cooked breakfast'.

To gird myself for a day's walking in the damp and chilly Scottish countryside my breakfast of choice was a kipper followed by porridge. Normally on week mornings (in town) it was toast with marmite or vegemite.

The weekends were a different story - bacon and/or sausages AND/or black pudding with tinned tomatoes and/or fried mushrooms, baked beans, toast and brown sauce. Sometimes the sausage was Scottish Lorne (aka 'square sausage'). I have been known to wolf down a couple of tattie scones or even fried bread, but only if it was served when we were out. I don't eat eggs. Disclaimer: I have never eaten haggis for breakfast.

I have eaten haggis for breakfast. Kippers for breakfast is win-win; not only do you get to eat kipper goodness, but everyone else with a nose knows you are eating kippers.
 
I would sincerely be interested in hearing more about this, if it is something you can share. I have no idea about where automation is/isn't used in this process. Labor is obviously a factor (Asia vs Mexico vs U.S.).

Related to the above, I would also appreciate your insights (or speculation) on how Fender can offer more options on basses and Gibson can't. Is it due in part to gaining huge and permanent marker share being one of the first entries in electric bass market? [Note: I am not trying to be contentious here. I really am fascinated by this "stuff".].

I once met a gentleman, who had been with PRS guitars. In his opinion, he thought it was a mistake for the company to offer their entry-level MIA. He thought they should have stuck with their high-end MIA and Korean-made lines. He thought Korean and entry-level U.S. would eat into sales of high-end MIA. He also confirmed what some of you have mentioned: 80/20 rule - us "oldsters" buy several instruments AND the higher end models ('cause we deserve it, damn it!).:thumbsup:

I have zero interest in anything Fender, Gibson, PRS, or any other musical instrument manufacturer does or has done since about 1984. They're part of a nostalgia industry. My hustle is even more nostalgic with less of a future. It's a pimple on a pimple on their butts and just something that helps me pass the time.

It's a global economy and it no longer matters where things are made. All that's important is value.
 
I have zero interest in anything Fender, Gibson, PRS, or any other musical instrument manufacturer does or has done since about 1984. They're part of a nostalgia industry. My hustle is even more nostalgic with less of a future. It's a pimple on a pimple on their butts and just something that helps me pass the time.

It's a global economy and it no longer matters where things are made. All that's important is value.

no truer words were spoken - most especially the "nostalgia industry - since 1984"
 
no truer words were spoken - most especially the "nostalgia industry - since 1984"
In your estimation, is that dictated by demands of market (i.e., consumer) or antiquated business practices that might be part of operating in a closed system? It seems like when the industry has tried to innovate, the consumer often rejects it. Likewise, many musicians crave sounds (and instruments) from 50s and 60s - hence the nostalgia thing.
 
Seriously, it sounds really good. It's a rainy gray mf and I'm surrounded by idiots. I really want a drink.
BTW I've been doing Mr Ubernator's diet for the past couple months which has meant no drinking.......Queen is skinnier :D
I haven't been drinking since March 1, and there's another week and a half to go. It's a long forty days and forty nights. There's Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban scotch and Goslings rum waiting.
 
no truer words were spoken - most especially the "nostalgia industry - since 1984"
I've had this dicussion with the dudes at Music Central, and it differs in that their customer base is stuck at 1959. They are a Fender dealer, and that brand is a fine example. Fender "isn't allowed" to do anything new, at least in guitars. They come out with something different and it doesn't matter how cool it is, MC's customers ain't havin' any. I think Gibzn gets stuck in the same peg holes. Bass player are, as a whole, way more open to change than guitarists are, which is why Bongos, TBirds, Explorers and Warlocks not only still sell, but are well known enough that I didn't have to list the manufacturer to have you guys know the shapes.
 
In your estimation, is that dictated by demands of market (i.e., consumer) or antiquated business practices that might be part of operating in a closed system? It seems like when the industry has tried to innovate, the consumer often rejects it. Likewise, many musicians crave sounds (and instruments) from 50s and 60s - hence the nostalgia thing.

Hairs can be split and various theories leveled but the 80's post about '84 was all about retro in many ways, longing for "simpler times". In the US a particular B actor answered that nostalgia politically. Fender was needing a major boost to right its sinking ship after the buy-back from CBS and mining its past proved wildly successful. The rest is as they say (past) history (regurgitated).
 
Traynor heads, AC30s, Tweed Deluxes and TBirds are hardly modern - even Steinbergers are not that modern any longer. Guitars and basses are hardly 'modern' but they fit the style of music I have fun playing, or that I CAN play - eg I listen to Rap but I'm never going to be Afrika Bambaataa.
But, at least you know who Afrika Bambaataa is. And, he's not exactly the latest - he was around when I lived in NYC in the early 1980s. Rap and Hip Hop were completely different and non-formulaic back then. The music could be pretty whimsical.

 
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It wasn't always whimsical.

New York was a whole lot rougher in the 1980s than it is now. It was nuts, but it sure was fun. I'm happy to live in Seattle now, but there are occasional times I wonder what would have happened if we stayed in the City.

We lived at 102nd and Broadway, right by the 103rd station on the westside IRT. The number one, in the first song. We were also pretty close to everything The Message talks about. There were projects on the corner and struggling people living all around us.
 
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I can't remember the last time I had a proper 'cooked breakfast'.

To gird myself for a day's walking in the damp and chilly Scottish countryside my breakfast of choice was a kipper followed by porridge. Normally on week mornings (in town) it was toast with marmite or vegemite.

The weekends were a different story - bacon and/or sausages AND/or black pudding with tinned tomatoes and/or fried mushrooms, baked beans, toast and brown sauce. Sometimes the sausage was Scottish Lorne (aka 'square sausage'). I have been known to wolf down a couple of tattie scones or even fried bread, but only if it was served when we were out. I don't eat eggs. Disclaimer: I have never eaten haggis for breakfast.


I'm really making myself eat breakfast now, just a couple eggs and a bit thin sliced ham cut up, no toast or carbs. - It's surprising how much better I feel for it.
 
But, at least you know who Afrika Bambaataa is. And, he's not exactly the latest - he was around when I lived in NYC in the early 1980s. Rap and Hip Hop were completely different and non-formulaic back then.

All part of the process of music going from being 'guerilla' to being 'product' innit? We cover a broad range of musical tastes in our house, only a subset of which I'm remotely competent to play. The problem I have with [so much] contemporary music is that it's either 'product' or that it's entirely sexless/bloodless (and that's not what rock'n'roll was invented for).

 
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Rock and roll is all about sex and blood. So was jazz, if you get into it deep enough.

And you prove again that we are spoiled to live in a city that has KEXP as a local radio station. I listen to it on a regular basis. Quirky doesn't even begin to describe all the different things you might hear from that station. It's like underground FM radio once was. Whatever the DJ on the air feels like doing, up to a point, is what you are going to get. They have some formatting, but that's more to do with the individuals who are on air and far less than any kind of management diktats.