Thunderbird Club

[MCF]

Ha, I wish, but at 32 I don't have nearly enough savings to retire! It would be Friday Harbor, WA, from Los Angeles, and frankly, the pay is not enough to be able to move. Cost of living is higher there than in LA.

I'd been looking to move on next year once I'd completed some data science training, but the most angering part of this is the way they went about it. I've worked for the company 9 years, 7 remote, with no issues until two people quit last month, reducing our team to 3. Now they've decided everyone needs to be in office to be more hands on. And to tell me this, they sent me an email. No call, no Zoom or setting up a meeting. Just an email saying I need to move back or that we need to separate if a move is not viable (which, with my life, wife, and band in LA, it definitely is not), and then a text asking if I had "seen the email regarding changes to our staffing arrangements for 2025". 9 years, and not even a call. And then when I tried to call them, they wouldn't answer my calls, just a text message saying we should set-up a meeting to discuss. No severance, nothing. It's just the lack or respect for one of their longest time employees that I find utterly galling and slimy.

Ah well, Ad Astra Per Aspera...

I’m so sorry to hear all this. Sadly, loyalty is a thing of the past. Text messages blow. They’re no way to communicate. I wish you the best in finding something new quickly.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

1) tell them you’ll move, but just couch surf while looking for a new job. Then just no show and leave them screwed.

Or

2) silent quit by just not doing any work and stall on the move as long as possible.

works both ways...I gave notice while on vacay in my last job....0 loyalty these days...

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Ha, I wish, but at 32 I don't have nearly enough savings to retire! It would be Friday Harbor, WA, from Los Angeles, and frankly, the pay is not enough to be able to move. Cost of living is higher there than in LA.

I'd been looking to move on next year once I'd completed some data science training, but the most angering part of this is the way they went about it. I've worked for the company 9 years, 7 remote, with no issues until two people quit last month, reducing our team to 3. Now they've decided everyone needs to be in office to be more hands on. And to tell me this, they sent me an email. No call, no Zoom or setting up a meeting. Just an email saying I need to move back or that we need to separate if a move is not viable (which, with my life, wife, and band in LA, it definitely is not), and then a text asking if I had "seen the email regarding changes to our staffing arrangements for 2025". 9 years, and not even a call. And then when I tried to call them, they wouldn't answer my calls, just a text message saying we should set-up a meeting to discuss. No severance, nothing. It's just the lack or respect for one of their longest time employees that I find utterly galling and slimy.

Ah well, Ad Astra Per Aspera...

I'd consult a labor law attorney on principle. There may be nothing you can do, but then again, there may be, if only to get a severance package.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

works both ways...I gave notice while on vacay in my last job....0 loyalty these days...

I worked under a very abusive senior manager (Judy) years ago. After a new dad was let go for no reason, with no notice and no severance, another friend of his left for a pre-planned three week vacation in Asia (long before cell phones). He left a sealed letter and note with his manager. The letter was his two weeks notice and the note was to give the letter to Judy after a week. The explosion after that first week was something else. When Robert came back to collect his final paycheck, he said he just smiled and nodded or shook his head at whatever Judy said, and when she asked questions said, "It's all there in the letter."

 

[MCF]

I'd consult a labor law attorney on principle. There may be nothing you can do, but then again, there may be, if only to get a severance package.

California is an at will state. Unless there is union protection or the employer breached a written contract, not a lot one can do. Not sure about WA. And the whole remote thing complicates things.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

I worked under a very abusive senior manager (Judy) years ago. After a new dad was let go for no reason, with no notice and no severance, another friend of his left for a pre-planned three week vacation in Asia (long before cell phones). He left a sealed letter and note with his manager. The letter was his two weeks notice and the note was to give the letter to Judy after a week. The explosion after that first week was something else. When Robert came back to collect his final paycheck, he said he just smiled and nodded or shook his head at whatever Judy said, and when she asked questions said, "It's all there in the letter."

Robert's a better man than I....

 

[JIO]

Cool, kind of like what we called slot cars back in the day. I had a bunch with Mura motors and pistol controllers. Still have it all somewhere.

I did the slot-car track also as a kid. I always felt intimidated by the older guys with the big wooden tool-box's that ran their cars at our local slot-car track establishment. They wizzed their cars around the track far more controlled and faster than I could ever do.

 

[Stealth57]

I did the slot-car track also as a kid. I always felt intimidated by the older guys with the big wooden tool-box's that ran their cars at our local slot-car track establishment. They wizzed their cars around the track far more controlled and faster than I could ever do.

My wood tool box was powder blue. Don't recall why it ended up that color.

 

[JIO]

My wood tool box was powder blue. Don't recall why it ended up that color.

Ford GT blue?

 

[Miles_ONeal]

California is an at will state. Unless there is union protection or the employer breached a written contract, not a lot one can do. Not sure about WA. And the whole remote thing complicates things.

I know. That's why I suggested an attorney in labor law. Multi-state. Remote. Complicated.
Also, Dylan, do you have a copy of your employment contract?

 

[Stealth57]

Ford GT blue?

Pretty close to the blue on the Gulf version.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Robert's a better man than I....

Judy was a control freak determined to dominate everyone. My kids will still refer to her as "Dad's evil boss". She delighted in misery as a tool. Robert did it that way specifically to tweak Judy, and it worked.

 

[JJR58]

Ha, I wish, but at 32 I don't have nearly enough savings to retire! It would be Friday Harbor, WA, from Los Angeles, and frankly, the pay is not enough to be able to move. Cost of living is higher there than in LA.

I'd been looking to move on next year once I'd completed some data science training, but the most angering part of this is the way they went about it. I've worked for the company 9 years, 7 remote, with no issues until two people quit last month, reducing our team to 3. Now they've decided everyone needs to be in office to be more hands on. And to tell me this, they sent me an email. No call, no Zoom or setting up a meeting. Just an email saying I need to move back or that we need to separate if a move is not viable (which, with my life, wife, and band in LA, it definitely is not), and then a text asking if I had "seen the email regarding changes to our staffing arrangements for 2025". 9 years, and not even a call. And then when I tried to call them, they wouldn't answer my calls, just a text message saying we should set-up a meeting to discuss. No severance, nothing. It's just the lack or respect for one of their longest time employees that I find utterly galling and slimy.

Ah well, Ad Astra Per Aspera...

Scm

 

[D.M.N.]

California is an at will state. Unless there is union protection or the employer breached a written contract, not a lot one can do. Not sure about WA. And the whole remote thing complicates things.

WA is at-will as well, so not much to be done there.

 

[Stealth57]

WA is at-will as well, so not much to be done there.

How about the Saul Goodman approach. Instead of bringing bagpipes to the office, how about a Thunderbird and a Sunn stack? Did you say something? I can't hear you.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

WA is at-will as well, so not much to be done there.

One can always negotiate, but that's where a lawyer comes in handy to get the wording right so no one can accuse you of anything later.

 

[RedVee]

I did over 30 years and they just kept making things difficult, and piling on more and more pressure so I quit.

34 years in the end and it was like a weight being lifted off my shoulders.

 

[dagrev]

Our last church had an Allen-Heath that let you save scenes. I personally loathe Behringer; they've cloned way too many things they shouldn't have for my taste.

I take your point. That's definitely a touchy spot with me as well. That part I didn't like, but it gave us way more options for the money--and we tried to be as easy on the finances as possible.

 

[dagrev]

Ha, I wish, but at 32 I don't have nearly enough savings to retire! It would be Friday Harbor, WA, from Los Angeles, and frankly, the pay is not enough to be able to move. Cost of living is higher there than in LA.

I'd been looking to move on next year once I'd completed some data science training, but the most angering part of this is the way they went about it. I've worked for the company 9 years, 7 remote, with no issues until two people quit last month, reducing our team to 3. Now they've decided everyone needs to be in office to be more hands on. And to tell me this, they sent me an email. No call, no Zoom or setting up a meeting. Just an email saying I need to move back or that we need to separate if a move is not viable (which, with my life, wife, and band in LA, it definitely is not), and then a text asking if I had "seen the email regarding changes to our staffing arrangements for 2025". 9 years, and not even a call. And then when I tried to call them, they wouldn't answer my calls, just a text message saying we should set-up a meeting to discuss. No severance, nothing. It's just the lack or respect for one of their longest time employees that I find utterly galling and slimy.

Ah well, Ad Astra Per Aspera...

Sux. I notice that this texting to let people know such things seems to be more common as younger HR cats are calling the shots. Makes sense in one way for many people who text and don't actually talk. (I also encountered people who worked under me who communicated everything as if it were a text to their buds. I always encouraged them to be professional, even if their peers were not. People who are professional notice.) No offense to you or any younger dudes who may read this. It's not true of all younger people by any means, and you seem to be a person who would have great personal interaction skills. Given that and what can be gathered here, you will find someplace--and that someplace will be fortunate to have you there.

 

[Engle]

A couple of pics from Saturday’s Toy Drive: