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Thunderbird Club

Yesterday I rode the elevator down to the parking garage with a co-worker I hadn't met before. Short (five foot nothing?), slender athletic build in gym shorts and a tank top. As we get off the elevator to split for our cars, the discussion had turned to how late it was (I go in late and go home late).
She said, "I only work this late on Tuesdays and Thursdays because I have practice."
"Oh? For what?"
"Roller derby."
I think I met a real life Alita.
 
All the talk about the World Cup soccer... July is always 24-7 Tour de France and this years edition is in full swing. No slagging soccer, but the Tour is the hardest sporting event in the world. It started on July 1st - a stage race where every day decides the final outcome at the end of the month. The classic "Wide World of Sport" byline was "the trill of victory and the agony of defeat" and that describes the Tour best. And in record heat -
We used to watch it all the time back when Greg Lamond was the American star. We continued as the Armstrong years unfolded. But, well, lost interest because of the scandals. I wouldn't even have known it was taking place but for my subscription to the Guardian.
 
Introducing two new members of the family:

Roger (formally Captain Gold Roger, King of the Pirates)
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And Cheeto (Sir Cheeto the Valiant, Feared Slayer of Dust Bunnies)
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They came home yesterday to re-fill the house and serve as chief entropy agents.

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Arrived next day:
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So onward to nut layout, then sanding, polishing, assembly... and learning how to play fretless.

Regarding nut layout:

The clearly-factory nut on my 2018 lefty bird is... odd.

Does not seem to be constant center spaced, but clearly also is not constant gap spaced.

The edge to string gap on the low E side is way larger (0.130") than the gap between the G and the edge (0.097").

Gaps between strings, low to high, are
0.291"
0.342"
0.334"
(Strung with 045-105 EBCFs, at pitch)

And center to center, best I can resolve, are:
0.386"
0.419"
0.389"

Do we have any group knlowedge re: how Gibson cuts nuts (hand, machine, combination)?

It's almost like the nut was laid out for right-hand equal-gap spacing but then cut to LH string-width pattern.

My LPDCjr Tribute bass, made in '22, isn't similar; it's a wider nut overall (1.6" nom.) being short-scaled, but string spacing seems symmetrically-centered, dead on 0.425".
Only thing similar is that the edge-to-E gap is larger than the G-to-edge gap, though less prominently so.

Not true on any of my other-brand basses far as I can tell. The Guild and the Schecter fiver are constant-gap, and the FSOs are constant center... and low string is closer to the edge than the high string on all 3 brands.

Opinions and arcana welcome.

Temptation is to go constant center at 0.4", havent decided if I will true-center or equal-space the edges, or which way I will bias.

Cat adoption and acclimation is stealing my hobby time this weekend. In a good cause.
 
Arrived next day:
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So onward to nut layout, then sanding, polishing, assembly... and learning how to play fretless.

Regarding nut layout:

The clearly-factory nut on my 2018 lefty bird is... odd.

Does not seem to be constant center spaced, but clearly also is not constant gap spaced.

The edge to string gap on the low E side is way larger (0.130") than the gap between the G and the edge (0.097").

Gaps between strings, low to high, are
0.291"
0.342"
0.334"
(Strung with 045-105 EBCFs, at pitch)

And center to center, best I can resolve, are:
0.386"
0.419"
0.389"

Do we have any group knlowedge re: how Gibson cuts nuts (hand, machine, combination)?

It's almost like the nut was laid out for right-hand equal-gap spacing but then cut to LH string-width pattern.

My LPDCjr Tribute bass, made in '22, isn't similar; it's a wider nut overall (1.6" nom.) being short-scaled, but string spacing seems symmetrically-centered, dead on 0.425".
Only thing similar is that the edge-to-E gap is larger than the G-to-edge gap, though less prominently so.

Not true on any of my other-brand basses far as I can tell. The Guild and the Schecter fiver are constant-gap, and the FSOs are constant center... and low string is closer to the edge than the high string on all 3 brands.

Opinions and arcana welcome.

Temptation is to go constant center at 0.4", havent decided if I will true-center or equal-space the edges, or which way I will bias.

Cat adoption and acclimation is stealing my hobby time this weekend. In a good cause.
So long as the nut is at least 1.5" (or close) I prefer constant center.
 
Arrived next day:
View attachment 7534838

So onward to nut layout, then sanding, polishing, assembly... and learning how to play fretless.

Regarding nut layout:

The clearly-factory nut on my 2018 lefty bird is... odd.

Does not seem to be constant center spaced, but clearly also is not constant gap spaced.

The edge to string gap on the low E side is way larger (0.130") than the gap between the G and the edge (0.097").

Gaps between strings, low to high, are
0.291"
0.342"
0.334"
(Strung with 045-105 EBCFs, at pitch)

And center to center, best I can resolve, are:
0.386"
0.419"
0.389"

Do we have any group knlowedge re: how Gibson cuts nuts (hand, machine, combination)?

It's almost like the nut was laid out for right-hand equal-gap spacing but then cut to LH string-width pattern.

My LPDCjr Tribute bass, made in '22, isn't similar; it's a wider nut overall (1.6" nom.) being short-scaled, but string spacing seems symmetrically-centered, dead on 0.425".
Only thing similar is that the edge-to-E gap is larger than the G-to-edge gap, though less prominently so.

Not true on any of my other-brand basses far as I can tell. The Guild and the Schecter fiver are constant-gap, and the FSOs are constant center... and low string is closer to the edge than the high string on all 3 brands.

Opinions and arcana welcome.

Temptation is to go constant center at 0.4", havent decided if I will true-center or equal-space the edges, or which way I will bias.

Cat adoption and acclimation is stealing my hobby time this weekend. In a good cause.
Sorry how this sounds but I wouldn't do any nut cuttin' until you try the string on first. Because if you go too deep, you'll get buzz, and trust me even fretless will buzz if there's not enough relief. But I've seen the videos on YouTube how to fill overly wide/deep nut slots.

Just in case- for a Gibson guitar.

 
Yesterday I rode the elevator down to the parking garage with a co-worker I hadn't met before. Short (five foot nothing?), slender athletic build in gym shorts and a tank top. As we get off the elevator to split for our cars, the discussion had turned to how late it was (I go in late and go home late).
She said, "I only work this late on Tuesdays and Thursdays because I have practice."
"Oh? For what?"
"Roller derby."
I think I met a real life Alita.
Battle Angel 😇
 
Sorry how this sounds but I wouldn't do any nut cuttin' until you try the string on first. Because if you go too deep, you'll get buzz, and trust me even fretless will buzz if there's not enough relief. But I've seen the videos on YouTube how to fill overly wide/deep nut slots.

Just in case- for a Gibson guitar.


Good advice: I'm not planning to cut to depth yet, but I want to get it planned out, laid out and notched for position so its not a speedbump at assembly time.

I need the nut halfway done so I can fit and drill the truss cover holes, too. Right after polish.
 
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Yesterday I rode the elevator down to the parking garage with a co-worker I hadn't met before. Short (five foot nothing?), slender athletic build in gym shorts and a tank top. As we get off the elevator to split for our cars, the discussion had turned to how late it was (I go in late and go home late).
She said, "I only work this late on Tuesdays and Thursdays because I have practice."
"Oh? For what?"
"Roller derby."
I think I met a real life Alita.
Careful. If you spell her name wrong she'll turn into Attila!