Thunderbird Club

[theFixer]

I don't have any concert t-shirts. Never did. Aside from never having any money when I was going to concerts where bands sold t-shirts, the idea of wearing a band t-shirt never made any sense to me. I'm also the crank who doesn't like wearing a logo unless somebody pays me to wear the logo.

I love concert/band T's. Unfortunately... nobody ever makes them big enough for me, and yes... they are SO ridiculously over-priced

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

So THAT’S the 2018!

Lefty compatible too

You'd think that selling the basses would be enough to "signal them"...

Can't sell something you no longer produce

 

[bass40hz]

I don't have any concert t-shirts. Never did. Aside from never having any money when I was going to concerts where bands sold t-shirts, the idea of wearing a band t-shirt never made any sense to me. I'm also the crank who doesn't like wearing a logo unless somebody pays me to wear the logo.

I'm with you, (typically) I dont do the free advertising thing, never a dealer sticker or plate frame on my car, no "brand name" on the headstock of my bass tattoo, etc...but growing up band logos and concert t-shirts were a different game...it meant so much more than having a shirt or patch on your jacket...hard to explain...

 

[hillerup]

So THAT’S the 2018!

Wonder what the lefties will look look like, then..?

 

[TBird1958]

Greetings, I suppose it's technically not a Thunderbird but here's mine.

I bought it in January of 2003 (still have the sales order in the case) because for $1,000.00 it was a cheap-ish way to get my hands on a Thunderbird. Until recently I kept it as a (rarely used) backup for shows because it was so damn difficult to play: horrible neck dive (tried three different straps, different heights, in the end I had to move the front strap button), the action was sooooo high, lots of fret buzz all over the place, intonation was grot, and the pickups were WAY hotter than my other bass to the point that the sound guys complained when I switched guitars. I pretty much felt like I got ripped off by Gibson and haven't bought anything from them or that vendor since.

Last year I finally took it to a shop and was told it's never been properly set up after leaving the factory. I didn't even know 'set up' was a thing. Why wouldn't it be right when it was built, or when I bought it? Lesson learned, eh?

I got it back two weeks later and it was like a completely different bass. It is such a joy to play and listen to that I didn't pick up my five string Ibanez for a year. Hell, three months ago I felt bad that the Ibanez wasn't getting played by anyone so I gave it to my niece and she's enjoying it immensely.

Too bad it took thirteen years to learn what a great instrument it is, huh? At least now I know where my $1,000.00 went.

My only complaint about this bass right now is that it's not 24 frets and the top three frets are a rotten ***** to reach. I could really use a tone knob right now too (not everything I like to play is RAWK), but I just don't feel right about modifying it, it does what it was designed to do perfectly and it's just frickin' gorgeous. I'm thinking about trying flatwound tapewound strings to see if it cuts the tone a little bit.

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Welcome Cardinal Fang, that's a sweet Blackbird! Glad you got around to getting it set up, (it's usually one of the first things I do with a Gibson bass, they're notorious for not doing the best job!) please do be welcome here, you're number 677.






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[theFixer]

Can't sell something you no longer produce

... and so begins the circle of insanity.

 

[Gaolee]

I'm with you, (typically) I dont do the free advertising thing, never a dealer sticker or plate frame on my car, no "brand name" on the headstock of my bass tattoo, etc...but growing up band logos and concert t-shirts were a different game...it meant so much more than having a shirt or patch on your jacket...hard to explain...

Having a sticker on something or a patch sewn on somewhere meant somebody was paying me as a sponsor. It makes for a lousy attitude toward logos when you aren't getting sponsored by anybody to do anything. The joke was that each sticker on your race bike was worth an additional five horsepower. Actually, if it was the right sticker, that might have been true. Mostly, though, not so much. T-shirts were the same thing. I had a pile of those with sponsor logos to give people, and I was hardly a threat to win races or even place very well. I was the guy at the back of the pack, working hard to be second to last instead of dead last.

 

[theFixer]

YOU HAD A BLACKBIRD FOR 14 YEARS WITHOUT PLAYING IT OR SET UP!!!???

You better send it off to me, and I'll take care of it...

You wouldn't like it. It's not an Epiphone

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Nikki sixx blackbird, and a real USA Gibson is surely a legit Thunderbird. And don't have any qualms about adding normal controls to it, it is routed for them and many club members do it. If done right and in the same way a normal Thunderbird is, it shouldn't hurt value too much, except maybe to a crue collector. There is so much more to the world of bird than both pickups full up. The tone can come or go, I always have mine cranked, but the ability to use pickups solo or different blend levels is a must. Just a slight tweak to 80% on the neck brings in a nice high mid bump (kills the scoop inherent to both pickups on full), and doing the opposite with the bridge down to 80% does the same in a low mid bump, very throaty. And you could keep the switch motif and wire it VV + series/parallel switch for even more power. I haven't done that to mine (I'd use a push pull if I did, rather have it be reversible if I wanted), mine being a classic pro or Goth, I don't have a blackbird, but if I got one I would at least VV it.

I'll take your whole post to the guitar shop if/when I'm ready to pull the trigger on the modifications. Thanks for the good explanation and detail. So are you saying two switches and each switch turns its own pickup on or off? I hadn't considered that but I will. Now that I think about it, on other bass guitars, I've always just turned the pickup volumes all the way up and tinkered with the EQ on the amplifier to get what I want. So in that regard the Blackbird configuration was actually perfect for me. I diddle the tone knob to get more/less pick/fret sound too, but that's it.

YOU HAD A BLACKBIRD FOR 14 YEARS WITHOUT PLAYING IT OR SET UP!!!???

You better send it off to me, and I'll take care of it...

Ha ha, I think not. It's been well taken care of for those fourteen years... in the case. The bass and the case were damn near mint before I started really playing it last year.

Welcome Cardinal Fang, that's a sweet Blackbird! Glad you got around to getting it set up, (it's usually one of the first things I do with a Gibson bass, they're notorious for not doing the best job!) please do be welcome here, you're number 677.

I am not a number, I am a free man!

Thank you, I do feel welcome. Bass players are the best people, I find.

And also... I found the Nasty Habits website a couple years ago (Hungry Like the Wolf search got me to your video on YouTube) and I was extremely pleased when I saw you here.

 

[theFixer]

Had a bite on the goth, turned out to end up being a low ball of $100

Also found out I am getting $100 gift/charity tomorrow, so the pressure is off a bit. Not that I am going to pull the ad, but might bump it back up to $300obo.

And a text message conversation with the old BL came in tonight. Making me feel uneasy, but he is willing to get together and discuss. Which I may or may not do. Perhaps a compromise could be reached. I am not simply going back if things stay the way they were, or even worse the way things were going to go after the singer left (me out of pocket on top of the "power struggle")

Goof thing tomorrow is my PhD session, I know what I will be talking about...

Hey Ub...

I might as well warn you straight outa the gate... I'm gonna give you a little more than the customary "2 cents worth".

You lost this gig because you tried to prevent a premeditated deceitful event from occurring. Rather than to take the opportunity that you gave him to rectify the situation & handle it honorably... he was infuriated that you thwarted his evil plan (sorry for comic book phrase, but it's true). He's a narcissistic, miscreant control freak. He's [expletive deleted] you over, and you know that he's [expletive deleted] other people over. He is intimately familiar with the sound of a dagger penetrating the southward side of a northbound companion. Why in the [expletive deleted], would you accept a dinner invitation from a person who's already poisoned you once? [expletive deleted] that mother[expletive deleted]!!! You are talented, experienced, and well connected. In my opinion... you should be diligent and patient as build your own band... then go out and grind his bones to dust on the battlefield. Give him as many reasons as possible to regret what he did to you!

(... but hey... that's just me)

 

[Gaolee]

OK, Fixe, can you tell us what you really think? It's not quite clear...

 

[theFixer]

OK, Fixe, can you tell us what you really think? It's not quite clear...

I'd draw you a picture, but I'm afraid the years of counseling and potential jail time is just so stifling

 

[PillO]

Why in the [expletive deleted], would you accept a dinner invitation from a person who's already poisoned you once?

There can be several reasons:

1. To hear him out - it is possible that he has seen the error of his ways/had a change of heart etc,
2. The art of diplomacy is to better understand your enemy to better make him work against himself,
3. Revenge is a dish best served cold (let him think you are back although you aren't),
4. The price of listening is very low. The price of actively shunning the person could be very high.

 

[Larry V]

5. The opportunity to make some gig money is better than sitting at home with no money and selling gear.

 

[vandoorn]

5. The opportunity to make some gig money is better than sitting at home with no money and selling gear.

of the options 1 to 5 my money would be on #3

 

[theFixer]

There can be several reasons:

1. To hear him out - it is possible that he has seen the error of his ways/had a change of heart etc,
2. The art of diplomacy is to better understand your enemy to better make him work against himself,
3. Revenge is a dish best served cold (let him think you are back although you aren't),
4. The price of listening is very low. The price of actively shunning the person could be very high.

My entire life... I've always given people the benefit of the doubt. Always the nice guy. Always the first to apologize. Always the first to accept an apology. Always first to give without question. Always holding the door for the other person (men, women, and children). Always the first to go without for someone else's sake. I've pissed away my whole life, because I gave away trust, instead of making people earn it. I trusted my ex-wife as thoroughly as any person can trust another... and after 22 years... she took that trust & wound it around a railroad tie like red hot barbed wire, and shoved it up my @$$. Yes... it's likely that I've developed a few "trust issues". That being said... I can now see these situations for what they are. To borrow a phrase from my brother... "Just cuz yer paranoid, doesn't mean somebody's not out ta get you". This guy that @ubernator is dealing with, is not a child. He's a grown "man", who's had plenty of time to choose his path & hone his craft. Though the leopard may change his spots at some point in his life... I promise you... it hasn't happened in the past couple o' weeks. I think Ub is a lot better off right now, than he would be if he hitched his wagon to that guy again. What happens when there's a big show coming up, or a paycheck that he's owed, or some other situation that Ub's counting on him for? Could be a helluva gamble. I fully expect @ubernator to do whatever he thinks is right. I'm just doing my part to get his eyes as far open as possible before he does. It's times like these when I actually enjoy being wrong... but I'd bet the farm that I'm not.

 

[theFixer]

of the options 1 to 5 my money would be on #3

#3 had crossed my mind... but I'm a firm believer that 2 "wrongs", don't make a "right", and life's too short for spiteful game-play that nobody really wins. Also worth considering... if you use deceit for revenge... are you any better than the other guy? IMHO... the time would be better spent building his own band, and beating him, honorably, at his own game.

 

[PillO]

I think Ub is a lot better off right now, than he would be if he hitched his wagon to that guy again.

Hearing the guy out is not rejoining the band. I would put under numbers 2&4. The downside to listening to the guy (not agreeing to anything other than listening) is very limited. Number 5 has a lot of merit can be done in combination with 3.

 

[theFixer]

Hearing the guy out is not rejoining the band. I would put under numbers 2&4. The downside to listening to the guy (not agreeing to anything other than listening) is very limited. Number 5 has a lot of merit can be done in combination with 3.

I'm sure we can agree that we all wanna see a smile on his face when the dust settles. If he's happy, then I'm happy for him

 

[kat888]

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Bumping forward from five pages ago since I didn't hear a peep from any of the birdbrains here...

Help needed

I meant to respond to you the other day ... but was too busy swanning about.

I used the Hipshot LIC Ultralite HB6Y 3/8 Chrome Plated tuners on my Epi, to match the existing tuners. Easiest thing is to remove a string, then remove the tuner and measure the tuner and the hole.