Thunderbird Club

[Gaolee]

Am I outta the Club?

Only if the cat with no tail says so.

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

The New Cataldo Plan For World Domination (or Damnation, take your pick). Apologies to 'The Brain'.

One cardboard box, rained today.
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One quality part, burn the rest. Cat-with-no-tail-who-lives-in-a-Tree don't care, ain't putting no mackerel in his bowl.
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Some high class components.
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etc...and...

EfSoBird!

Also be a P version. Both with front or back electronics cavity, paint or stain, body wood, neck, and hardware options, etc.

'Research' says there'll be interest in the GP for something like this after the VP's success. Lull offers similar but at a higher price than I'm seeking.

Am I outta the Club?

I don't think you can get outta the Club that easily!
Sounds like a solid plan though!

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

The rule if thumb is +3dB everytime you double the drivers. The ohm rating on a cab tells you nothing other than the load which is presented to to the output stage of the amp.

You can wire 4 8Ω drivers to present 32, 8 or 2 ohm loads, ie series, series-parallel or parallel.

Now, if we ignore the cabinet ohm rating (not relevant here) the SVT112AV cab (single driver version of what I have) is rated @ 96dB for 1W in. The SVT212AV is rated @ 99dB -- you see, double the drivers gives you another 3dB fot that same 1W in.

If you were to add another SVT212AV (yes please), you would get 102dB for that same 1W in. We can go from 1 driver to 4 drivers on the same amp and get an extra 6dB output, which is noticable, bearing in mind twice as loud is +10dB.

Logarithmic math(s) is a tricky thing to understand.

 

[MommyPlaysBass]

Logarithmic math(s) is a trick thing to understand.

Nobody told me math would be involved when I picked up my first bass!

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

Nobody told me math would be involved when I picked up my first bass!

Only technical stuff. Most of it can be understood from just trying out as much stuff as possible. It's like when getting a new car that has more than one engine option. Most people don't know the math behind horsepower and torque, but most people know that a bigger engine will be faster.

 

[Inky13]

The New Cataldo Plan For World Domination (or Damnation, take your pick). Apologies to 'The Brain'.

One cardboard box, rained today.
View attachment 2886750

One quality part, burn the rest. Cat-with-no-tail-who-lives-in-a-Tree don't care, ain't putting no mackerel in his bowl.
View attachment 2886751

Some high class components.
View attachment 2886752

etc...and...

EfSoBird!

Also be a P version. Both with front or back electronics cavity, paint or stain, body wood, neck, and hardware options, etc.

'Research' says there'll be interest in the GP for something like this after the VP's success. Lull offers similar but at a higher price than I'm seeking.

Am I outta the Club?

I can't tell if that box came from "Amwhoom" or "Oowee".

 

[dukeorock]

LOL! Was just looking at the Neo 212... will check out the 412 too. Also looking at Ampeg 212AV on recommendation here.

Those are all solid choices. The Ampeg would be my choice if those 3. One of the only good things Ampeg makes these days outside of the Heritage stuff, IMO

Forgive me if this is a stupid idea... but with the GK MB 500 could I just get a 112 cab now and if down the line I find people who I can play with, then get a second 112 to give me a 212 type rig?

Sure can!

The New Cataldo Plan For World Domination (or Damnation, take your pick). Apologies to 'The Brain'.

One cardboard box, rained today.
View attachment 2886750

One quality part, burn the rest. Cat-with-no-tail-who-lives-in-a-Tree don't care, ain't putting no mackerel in his bowl.
View attachment 2886751

Some high class components.
View attachment 2886752

etc...and...

EfSoBird!

Also be a P version. Both with front or back electronics cavity, paint or stain, body wood, neck, and hardware options, etc.

'Research' says there'll be interest in the GP for something like this after the VP's success. Lull offers similar but at a higher price than I'm seeking.

Am I outta the Club?

I like it, personally

 

[Dadagoboi]

I can't tell if that box came from "Amwhoom" or "Oowee".

Same thought crossed my mind, I like Oowee.

 

[MommyPlaysBass]

The rule if thumb is +3dB everytime you double the drivers. The ohm rating on a cab tells you nothing other than the load which is presented to to the output stage of the amp.

You can wire 4 8Ω drivers to present 32, 8 or 2 ohm loads, ie series, series-parallel or parallel.

Now, if we ignore the cabinet ohm rating (not relevant here) the SVT112AV cab (single driver version of what I have) is rated @ 96dB for 1W in. The SVT212AV is rated @ 99dB -- you see, double the drivers gives you another 3dB fot that same 1W in.

If you were to add another SVT212AV (yes please), you would get 102dB for that same 1W in. We can go from 1 driver to 4 drivers on the same amp and get an extra 6dB output, which is noticable, bearing in mind twice as loud is +10dB.

So, ummmmm... first, thank you for the explanation!

And, second... since I'm kind of a math moron... could you maybe say something more like... 2x112's is good or bad vs. 1x212 so I can try to get a handle on what you said?

 

[JJR58]

The New Cataldo Plan For World Domination (or Damnation, take your pick). Apologies to 'The Brain'.

One cardboard box, rained today.
View attachment 2886750

One quality part, burn the rest. Cat-with-no-tail-who-lives-in-a-Tree don't care, ain't putting no mackerel in his bowl.
View attachment 2886751

Some high class components.
View attachment 2886752

etc...and...

EfSoBird!

Also be a P version. Both with front or back electronics cavity, paint or stain, body wood, neck, and hardware options, etc.

'Research' says there'll be interest in the GP for something like this after the VP's success. Lull offers similar but at a higher price than I'm seeking.

Am I outta the Club?

You're a staple here. I vote you stay.

 

[JJR58]

So, ummmmm... first, thank you for the explanation!

And, second... since I'm kind of a math moron... could you maybe say something more like... 2x112's is good or bad vs. 1x212 so I can try to get a handle on what you said?

2 single 12's is fine.

 

[godofthunder59]

The New Cataldo Plan For World Domination (or Damnation, take your pick). Apologies to 'The Brain'.

One cardboard box, rained today.
View attachment 2886750

One quality part, burn the rest. Cat-with-no-tail-who-lives-in-a-Tree don't care, ain't putting no mackerel in his bowl.
View attachment 2886751

Some high class components.
View attachment 2886752

etc...and...

EfSoBird!

Also be a P version. Both with front or back electronics cavity, paint or stain, body wood, neck, and hardware options, etc.

'Research' says there'll be interest in the GP for something like this after the VP's success. Lull offers similar but at a higher price than I'm seeking.

Am I outta the Club?

I'd rock a P version of that!

 

[JJR58]

Nobody told me math would be involved when I picked up my first bass!

It really shouldn't be part of the equation at all.

 

[theFixer]

The 212AV may be a bit expensive, then again you do live in the land of stupidly cheap gear....

That's where you're mistaken m'dear. The gear is overpriced here too... just not as overpriced as it is there! Had the same argument a while back about gasoline. Somebody in the UK kept going on about how we (Americans) didn't pay enough for our gasoline. Utterly ridiculous! Just because we don't pay as much as they do in the UK, doesn't mean we don't pay enough, or that it's "stupidly cheap". It only means that y'all are payin' too mucher than we are!

 

[Shannon]

If you do any research, you will quickly see that the majority
of opinions will say to steer clear of CCB's. (Cheap Chinese Basses.)
The thinking is why hinder your learning with an inferior instrument.
Others counter that it's better to play a cheapie than not at all.
It's one of those circuitous arguments that comes up all the time.
(Tubes/SS, flats/rounds, Fender/Gibson. . I'm not advocating
either way, just be aware of what's available.

So, upright with flats and tort?

 

[MommyPlaysBass]

2 single 12's is fine.

Thank you, kind sir! (see what I did there?) LOL!

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

So, ummmmm... first, thank you for the explanation!

And, second... since I'm kind of a math moron... could you maybe say something more like... 2x112's is good or bad vs. 1x212 so I can try to get a handle on what you said?

Well, it's subjective. Depends on your wants and needs.
End result, if the 112's are 8Ohm and the 212 is 4Ohm, they should yield similar results, and from there is 100% dependant on your wants and needs

My suggestion, go for the the death blow, and just get a 412 ...... or two

Edited due to being corrected

 

[MommyPlaysBass]

That's where you're mistaken m'dear. The gear is overpriced here too... just not as overpriced as it is there! Had the same argument a while back about gasoline. Somebody in the UK kept going on about how we (Americans) didn't pay enough for our gasoline. Utterly ridiculous! Just because we don't pay as much as they do in the UK, doesn't mean we don't pay enough, or that it's "stupidly cheap". It only means that y'all are payin' too mucher than we are!

Too mucher! Well said!

 

[Shannon]

I can't tolerate tweeters, I turn em off or disconnect them.

What's a 'tweeter'?

That battered one I had qualified as a Truman era bass, and it looked like it had been dragged by everything that could drag anything. It had plenty of obvious repairs and was delaminating when I got it. I made a new tail for it, reset the neck twice, and bondoed up the body with the intention of painting it metal flake electric blue or something. Then the cat climbed it. I fixed that damage. The second time the cat did that, the body pretty much fell apart. That was the only destructive thing the cat ever did. Dick the Cat was the perfect cat, if you can overlook bass destruction.

Dick did what had to be done. The bass needed to be put down. At least its suffering is over.

Of course. Twice.

I suspect so. Double bass, donchaknow...

 

[kat888]

The New Cataldo Plan For World Domination (or Damnation, take your pick). Apologies to 'The Brain'.

One cardboard box, rained today.
View attachment 2886750

One quality part, burn the rest. Cat-with-no-tail-who-lives-in-a-Tree don't care, ain't putting no mackerel in his bowl.
View attachment 2886751

Some high class components.
View attachment 2886752

etc...and...

EfSoBird!

Also be a P version. Both with front or back electronics cavity, paint or stain, body wood, neck, and hardware options, etc.

'Research' says there'll be interest in the GP for something like this after the VP's success. Lull offers similar but at a higher price than I'm seeking.

Am I outta the Club?

So you really are Swamp IKEA!

 

[theFixer]

Speaking of Hartke... what kind of reputation do their cabs have? Been trying to research them online.

With regards to Hartke... I would urge you to try before you buy. They seem to be a love it or hate it kinda cab. Which side of the fence you fall on, is entirely up to you and your ears. I personally am not a fan... but my experience with them is 20 years old now...