Thunderbird Club

[hairypete1138]

Afaik the VP fits -- just fits -- the standard Epi tapered case. People have posted photos here or out in the Gen Pop Epi thread of the VP in the 940-ETBCS. All rather moot for me as my next Bird will be a Gibson, Orville or Greco.

That's what mine goes in. It’s a snug fit, but it’s not jammed in by any means. Still looking for a decent double gig bag that will take this and the classic pro for gigs, but that is seeming fruitless at the moment!

N.B pics were taken as I transferred it from the box into my case when it was delivered to work. Stickers came off as soon as I got home!

 

[BklynKen]

More penguins!

Always more penguins. I love when I'm in with them at the aquarium. They're hilarious.

 

[theFixer]

I’m sure this dude would throw a half dozen mics on that too! I’ve seen more drum mics, but wouldn’t use that many myself. It was a fun night, despite a very slow engineer
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Poor Gretsch never came off the stand. We went for something fairly raw. Somewhere between 70’s country and The Rolling Stones. ‘Bird worked perfectly for all three tunes

The Gretsch you say?
Glad to see nothing's happened to it... yet
Glad to see nothing's happened to it yet
Glad to see nothing's happened to it
The Thunderbird was clearly the better choice

 

[theFixer]

How does a kick drum need three mics? Three on the snare doesn't make much sense to me. Two does. What do I know? Not much.

It's easy to get sucked into over-micing a drum kit. 3 on the kick is mere child's play to a person with unlimited mics, tracks, and time! More than 3 sure as hell doesn't NEED to happen... and in a situation where time is money, it sure as hell SHOULDN'T happen... but 3 is a good number. One inside, one in front, and one on the batter side near the point of impact. If ya got that... there's nothing the guy at the console can't do. From John Bonham, to Stewart Copeland, to Vinnie Paul and beyond. Generally speaking... I'm more fond of the Andy Johns approach. Find a really good room, and put a couple mics in it somewhere. BOOM! Drums are done!

 

[Larry V]

A decent synopses for the decline and possible future of Gibson.



It gets into the numbers of what's behind the bankruptcy talk and it doesn't look good.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

That's what mine goes in. It’s a snug fit, but it’s not jammed in by any means. Still looking for a decent double gig bag that will take this and the classic pro for gigs, but that is seeming fruitless at the moment!

N.B pics were taken as I transferred it from the box into my case when it was delivered to work. Stickers came off as soon as I got home!

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Contact Roman Bach at Bach Guitars in the Chech Republic. He makes a great very high quality gig bag for Tbirds since he manufactured "Bachbirds" for awhile.

 

[JJR58]

A decent synapses for the decline and possible future of Gibson.



It gets into the numbers of what's behind the bankruptcy talk and it doesn't look good.

"A music lifestyle company"? Oh boy.

 

[JJR58]

Guess they'll be focusing on T'shirts and baseball caps. But wonder what will happen to the so called limited 2018's. Probably a moot point now.

 

[Haji]

Theyre prolly already sitting in a warehouse. If Gibby could sell down their existing inventory without having to discount it extensively, they'd be in better shape in less time. Even after The Flood they were still sending 300 instruments a day out the door. At their height it was 600 a day. Those were not all sold yet.

My roommate was a Gibby employee for almost a decade.

 

[dukeorock]

It's easy to get sucked into over-micing a drum kit. 3 on the kick is mere child's play to a person with unlimited mics, tracks, and time! More than 3 sure as hell doesn't NEED to happen... and in a situation where time is money, it sure as hell SHOULDN'T happen... but 3 is a good number. One inside, one in front, and one on the batter side near the point of impact. If ya got that... there's nothing the guy at the console can't do. From John Bonham, to Stewart Copeland, to Vinnie Paul and beyond. Generally speaking... I'm more fond of the Andy Johns approach. Find a really good room, and put a couple mics in it somewhere. BOOM! Drums are done!

Well, sure...if you’re mic’ing John Bonham

Man, I’ve made a ton of recordings in my life. Many thousands. It’s been my main fascination since I was a little kid. Studied all the different ways to mic a kit, recorded in so many different sounding rooms. There’s only one ‘trick’ that works and it works every time. Use a great drummer
It’s really hard to get a bad drum sound out of a great drummer and even harder to get a great sound out of a less than great drummer

 

[JJR58]

Well, sure...if you’re mic’ing John Bonham

Man, I’ve made a ton of recordings in my life. Many thousands. It’s been my main fascination since I was a little kid. Studied all the different ways to mic a kit, recorded in so many different sounding rooms. There’s only one ‘trick’ that works and it works every time. Use a great drummer
It’s really hard to get a bad drum sound out of a great drummer and even harder to get a great sound out of a less than great drummer

Coming from one here who has recorded with various drummers, very well put!

 

[mistergoats]

A decent synopses for the decline and possible future of Gibson.



It gets into the numbers of what's behind the bankruptcy talk and it doesn't look good.

I've read that line "... a music lifestyle company..." a million times.

That's what Instagram marketers call their brands. "Lifestyle brands" are typically companies that don't actually make the products they associate with; typically making clothing lines, pins, hats, posters, etc., based on the "lifestyle" they associate with. It's HUGE in the motorcycle industry - no one actually making motorcycles or parts; just making ******** "biker-style" stuff for the hip-kids. And it works... for those industries, because they are selling high-volume, lo-cost, changing fashion merchandise and not large-cost items.

Understandably, they're trying to go with a hip, generational campaign, as that's where the money resides, but they have to realize no one actually has any money.

McDonalds is probably doing the best with this idea with their "BMXB Collab" campaign largely because it's tongue-in-cheek and poking fun at "lifestyle-brand" marketing while successfully pulling in dollars. (God, I hope they're doing it tongue-in-cheek.)

 

[theFixer]

Well, sure...if you’re mic’ing John Bonham

Man, I’ve made a ton of recordings in my life. Many thousands. It’s been my main fascination since I was a little kid. Studied all the different ways to mic a kit, recorded in so many different sounding rooms. There’s only one ‘trick’ that works and it works every time. Use a great drummer
It’s really hard to get a bad drum sound out of a great drummer and even harder to get a great sound out of a less than great drummer

You must be out of turd polish

Really... that rule applies to guitar players & the likes as well. Put the best gear in the world, in front of Wanky the Clown, & he'll still suck rocks

 

[dukeorock]

You must be out of turd polish

Really... that rule applies to guitar players & the likes as well. Put the best gear in the world, in front of Wanky the Clown, & he'll still suck rocks

It applies to everything, BUT it begins and ends with the drummer, at least in rock music, IMO

 

[theFixer]

It applies to everything, BUT it begins and ends with the drummer, at least in rock music, IMO

Yeah... I've never met a person who knew what they were talking about, who would argue that. The house is only as good as it's foundation fo SHO!

 

[kat888]

I wouldn’t have mic’d It the way he did either, but I find it best to let each engineer do their thing. Never know what’ll come of it.

That’s more than I’d use if I were engineering! As long as it sounds good, I’m not fussed with how they got there. I do know, whenever I decide there’s a ‘right’ way to do anything in recording, some engineer comes along with something very different and it works great. The drums sounded massive last night, so I’m happy. The engineer is going to mix the songs, but he’s also giving me a drive with all the isolated tracks. If we don’t love the mixes, I’ll redo it myself. It’ll be fun to sift through em all and see what works best. It was such a good sounding room, I solo’d just the room mics and one of the kick mics and nothing else was ‘needed,’ in my opinion, but we’ll see

Yeah, yeah, you'd use 2 mics if you were tracking it. Man, ya gotta have a 57 on the snare! I've recently come around to mid/side micing as a useful technique. One of these days I'm determined I'm going to play with all this again.

 

[veebass]

Hey, I saw Cheap Trick in 79. Double bill with Ted Nugent.


As far as bassists changing instruments a small, recent sampling:
Alice Cooper - Chuck Garric changed instrument each song
Deep Purple - Roger Glover changed instruments frequently but I don't think it was every song (perhaps every other song)
Guns n Roses - Duff changed instruments every song
Dream Theater - Myung did not appear to change instruments but he could have several that all look the same

Metallica- Trujillo changed basses very frequently.

 

[Larry V]

Metallica- Trujillo changed basses very frequently.

It seems to be the trend anymore... at least for live shows I've seen in the last few years.

 

[JJR58]

I've always liked this mic'ing technique myself. with the exception of a mic on the snare, maybe.

 

[Stevis]

I've read that line "... a music lifestyle company..." a million times.

That's what Instagram marketers call their brands. "Lifestyle brands" are typically companies that don't actually make the products they associate with

But it actually is a lifestyle brand, when you think about the consumer behavior involved. Look at us for example. We have been brought together as result of our mutual interest in bass guitars and a particular brand and model of guitar. We regularly spend hours out of our days musing about everything from the materials in our strings and picks, to the pickups and bridges. On average, we have spent years playing, many of us since childhood. We have spent thousands on our gear. Thus, we spend our discretionary time and money devoted to this activity. This would seem to be a definition of lifestyle.

We often self-identify as musicians and bass players. We can show this by wearing the gear that you mentioned (caps, shirts, etc.), much like sports fans.

Under Armour, Nike and Adidas, to name a few, are also classified as lifestyle brands. They spend millions to put their brands on the backs of athletes at every level, to encourage kids to wear them. The industry also spends tons to fund youth sports and campaigns to get kids moving (esp. in U.S.). The NFL (American pro football) spends tons these days trying to fend off the decline in participation in football because of head injury concerns by parents.

One of the challenges both industries face is the competition posed by video games, which have even escalated to the point of competitive (and televised) sports entertainment (eSports leagues). For immigration purposes, the U.S. now recognizes eSports competitors as pro athletes.

Exercise can be boring and painful. Plus, it requires discipline, much like learning and mastering a musical instrument. Why not just go home and play Call of Duty or Guitar Hero?

I question whether the music industry as a whole (and musical instrument companies in particular) are doing enough, or being effective with their efforts, at getting kids into this lifestyle at an early age? Do you folks in other countries see the above trends going on in your parts of the world? It sounds like gear is typically more expensive and/or harder to find there, which also creates barriers to entry.