Thunderbird Club

[kat888]

o trois mois en Paris, ca je prefer..

Eller tre måneder i Bergen....

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

Eller tre måneder i Bergen....

Norge?

 

[kat888]

Norge?

Not North Dakota, most assuredly.

 

[RedVee]

french ?!

Oui

Mum made me take French in High School as a nod to her paternal heritage. Unfortunately, I did not apply myself as I should have; and it was 40 years ago...

You mean like to cover the screw holes?

Non, I mean to cover the whole top, Les Paul style (but natural)

Edit - in a new build, not to an existing bass

 

[godofthunder59]

I don't know if I agree but I don't think the average player could hear the difference either so I'm not disagreeing either. I'm one of those people who strongly believe in the wood you make a guitar out of does affect the sound (to a very small degree). The strings don't vibrate in isolation they interact with the neck as a whole which in turn vibrates and affects how the strings themselves vibrate as part of the whole system. Possibly the fact that a fingerboard had been glued on has more affect than the type of timber it's made from?

Glueing adds a little to the stiffness of the neck which was one of the concerns I have about carbon rods in them which @godofthunder59 instantly confirmed. It would be interesting to try a range of necks on the same body and measure the output to see how much of a difference it does or doesn't make.

Juxtaposition on this might be hifi stands, I like my Hifi and spend too much on it (or did spend). There's a big and long standing argument on whether or not the stand it's sat on makes a difference to it's sound, I'm in the yes camp because I can or could hear it albeit very slightly but it is there. When I was in Liverpool Uni I asked the doc who was teaching us Electricity and Magmatism his thoughts. He eventually got back to me with the theory that micro vibrations running through the stand made the individual components vibrate which in turn made micro changes to the magnetic field around them, which in turn affected the overall sound. Only a theory and the only thing he could think of to explain it but it's plausible I think

I have also had numerous Warmoth necks with steel I beams in them , sterile lifeless things but straight as an arrow.

 

[godofthunder59]

Really particular about this fit...
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Nothing like a 60's NR! Big ragged holes hid by nickel covers!

 

[Larry V]

Both those NRs look really nice sans pickguard. I’m pleasantly surprised actually, I wouldn’t have thunk it.

french ?!

French as well as English.

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

I think the neck material has some influence, but that's about as far as it goes.

I was under the same belief.... until @dukeorock posted this.... if two of the most notable luthiers agree that fretboard wood makes the biggest difference (compared to the rest of the woods of the bass), who am I to argue.

I still think the difference would be minimal and I personally can't tell. And believe that the fret material (standard steel vs stainless steel) would make a more noticeable difference than the fretboard wood.

Watched a really great panel discussion the other day on YouTube. The two speakers were Roger Sadowsky and Michael Tobias. I’ve never owned a bass by either maker and doubt I ever will, but between the two of em, they’ve built over 10,000 basses, which gives them a lot of credibility. The subject was the dreaded ‘Tonewood’ discussion. They both had slightly different takes on body and neck wood, but both agreed wholeheartedly that fingerboard material makes the most noticeable difference every time. I honestly wouldn’t have thought I had a ‘favorite’ because every bass is different anyway. But I have to wonder, as my two favorite basses I own share some interesting attributes

‘02 Gibson- mahogany body and neck, ebony fingerboard
Drake Custom- (mostly) mahogany body, Jatoba (looks very similar to mahogany) neck and ebony fingerboard

Could be a coincidence, or could be that I at least somewhat, gravitate toward certain things

 

[PillO]

I work in an anesthesia department, and seriously doubt that...

Most modern anestetic drugs used today are metabolised very fast and don't give such a late allergic response. Since most anestetic drugs are either administered iv or inhaled (except nerve blocks, which are local), you will see an allergic reaction almost immediately. If a drug was accidentially administered subcutaneous you might see a local reaction - But then you wouldn't be administering an iv line on the arm having surgery.

Some local anestetic drugs used for nerve blocks may give an allergic reaction - But I've never seen this occur that late after surgery, as it usually occurs shortly after the block.

I haven't done anything with anesthesia in more than 20 years, so I will defer to you there.

[science] But, I wasn't thinking specifically the anesthetic, I was thinking of the anti-cholinergics (specifically a result of the effects on sweating and heat regulation - not allergy). I just lump all those into the "anesthesia" bucket since I would be hard pressed to find a use outside of that. I don't jump to the conclusion that it is allergy if there is a rash as there can be many causes aside from allergy; it is something to be investigated, but it isn't a conclusion.

I wouldn't suspect antibiotics immediately as allergy to antibiotics is actually quite rare. They were more common in the early ages of antibiotics (40s, 50s, and 60s), but the allergy was not the antibiotic molecule, but to the poor purification methods that left variable quantities of bacterial protein in the final product. [/science]

 

[Christine]

I was under the same belief.... until @dukeorock posted this.... if two of the most notable luthiers agree that fretboard wood makes the biggest difference (compared to the rest of the woods of the bass), who am I to argue.

I still think the difference would be minimal and I personally can't tell. And believe that the fret material (standard steel vs stainless steel) would make a more noticeable difference than the fretboard wood.

I think it's still important to put that into perspective and that there are other more noticeable things on a guitar that will have a far greater affect on its sound such as the Pups or something as simple as changing the pots or a cap to a better/different quality.

Fret material, I've never played a bass with stainless frets, brighter sound? I changed the saddles on the Hipshot bridge on my bumper from brass to stainless and that was brighter, I changed them straight back, it wasn't the sound I wanted

 

[PillO]

And this is the interesting aspect: Surgeons always give anesthesia the blame...

For some really strange reason patients rarely die "under surgery" - It's always "under anesthesia"...

You say the swelling and rash was on the arm that had surgery right? Had it been anesthetics it would either have been a universal reaction - Or a local one localised to the iv line.

Maybe Wendy is allergic to the dissenfectant the used to prep her arm for surgery - That could explain the local reaction.
Or maybe the cast was too tight?

I had thought that the rash was all over. Perhaps I misread or misunderstood.

Did she have a cast out of surgery? Usually, out of surgery, they splint for 24-48 hours to let the swelling do what it will do before casting. Reactions to soap with or without disinfectant is a good guess for a local rash, as is an ill-fitting cast or potentially a reaction to the sock underneath the cast.

Sorry - I am pedantic about the use of the term "allergy" Many people use the word to describe any number of reactions, but it has a very specific meaning with serious implications.

 

[kat888]

I was under the same belief.... until @dukeorock posted this.... if two of the most notable luthiers agree that fretboard wood makes the biggest difference (compared to the rest of the woods of the bass), who am I to argue.

I still think the difference would be minimal and I personally can't tell. And believe that the fret material (standard steel vs stainless steel) would make a more noticeable difference than the fretboard wood.

Extensive double blind testing would help.

 

[Gaolee]

What kind of power are you looking at?

I don't know yet. Not massive so long as I can go DI.

 

[Gaolee]

Not North Dakota, most assuredly.

Could be. Oh, ja.

 

[PillO]

Extensive double blind testing would help.

Double blind, placebo controlled trials are the gold standard. And with good reason.

 

[Gaolee]

Extensive double blind testing would help.

Sounds like a call for another Duke O Mark shootout.

 

[Christine]

Extensive double blind testing would help.

The only way but very hard to achieve practically with the differences being so small, a clue to the relevance of this whole argument

 

[PillO]

The only way but very hard to achieve practically with the differences being so small, a clue to the relevance of this whole argument

Ding ding ding!

variation within each sample is bigger than the difference between the two samples. Meaning that:
It is difficult to detect a difference between groups, and
If you don't like one individual item, pick another.

But what would the internet be without arguments about small, meaningless, or non-existent differences?

 

[Christine]

But what would the internet be without arguments about small, meaningless, or non-existent differences?

What is the point of a comment like that FFS!!

I do think there are differences though, either you like it or don't but you don't really know why, those little subtle differences that made Stradivarius a genius and Robert Stompworthy merely mediocre

 

[PillO]

What is the point of a comment like that FFS!!

I do think there are differences though, either you like it or don't but you don't really know why, those little subtle differences that made Stradivarius a genius and Robert Stompwrthy merely mediocre

I would take a Stompwrthy any day! Those Stadivariai all have terrible neck dive and the headstock falls off if you so much as look at it funny.