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Thunderbird Club

#95,901
GBassNorth said:
Good grief, the GenPop is at it again. :rollno:

There apparently is no end to the "let's bash Gibson" train.
Henry is booted out and a guitar rocker takes takes the helm with intent to replace the entire board of directors with guitar (and hopefully bass) players, improve quality and offerings and completely turn the company around - and the GenPop here at TB has virtually nothing positive to say.

Forgive me, my Queen, for I mindlessly wandered outside this club of enlightenment and open mindedness, this garden of Eden surrounded by Thunderbirds of every make, age and color. Of course while I was out there I left a slight mess in isle three.:rolleyes:
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Well you could've at least posted a link so the rest of us could help "clean up" the mess you left... :)
 
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GBassNorth said:
For instance the first Rap type song I think I ever heard was Blondie's "Rapture" in 1980. Unfortunately I think Nigel Harrison was a Fender guy.
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Certainly what sticks in my mind as the first 'rap' song.

Dr_Feelgoood212 said:
Black Sabbath, yes heavily blues based but are truly the God Fathers of metal.
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I have argued many times that Black Sabbath was more jazz than blues. At least the first couple of albums.

I would also argue that Deep Purple was the original heavy metal... Or maybe MC5 (Kick Out the Jams!) Maybe MC5 was the original Punk rock?



First Shock rocker - Alice Cooper (the band, not the individual).
 
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GBassNorth said:
Good grief, the GenPop is at it again. :rollno:

There apparently is no end to the "let's bash Gibson" train.
Henry is booted out and a guitar rocker takes takes the helm with intent to replace the entire board of directors with guitar (and hopefully bass) players, improve quality and offerings and completely turn the company around - and the GenPop here at TB has virtually nothing positive to say.

Forgive me, my Queen, for I mindlessly wandered outside this club of enlightenment and open mindedness, this garden of Eden surrounded by Thunderbirds of every make, age and color. Of course while I was out there I left a slight mess in isle three.:rolleyes:
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Is it a new one? I can't keep track. Didn't someone post this week that Gibson just filed for bankruptcy? Needless to say, The collective business wisdom on TB is … limited.

There was a thread earlier in the week about how KKR was going to dismantle the company. For those in the know (I used to work in capital markets and still talk to my friends on Wall St.) KKR was playing a very long game. They had wanted to own Gibson guitars because it is so profitable. So they leant Henry J as much money as he would take for all the ridiculous acquisitions. If the acquisitions worked, they would make out like bandits; if they didn't, they took control of Gibson (the asset they wanted all along).
 
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GBassNorth said:
Good grief, the GenPop is at it again. :rollno:

There apparently is no end to the "let's bash Gibson" train.
Henry is booted out and a guitar rocker takes takes the helm with intent to replace the entire board of directors with guitar (and hopefully bass) players, improve quality and offerings and completely turn the company around - and the GenPop here at TB has virtually nothing positive to say.

Forgive me, my Queen, for I mindlessly wandered outside this club of enlightenment and open mindedness, this garden of Eden surrounded by Thunderbirds of every make, age and color. Of course while I was out there I left a slight mess in isle three.:rolleyes:
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If you could see all that I can here...………….


Anywho, as I've always said, it's you guys that make the place we have here nice. As we approach 100,000 posts and are over 2 million views, I'd say you guys are way more than alright!
 
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PillO said:
Certainly what sticks in my mind as the first 'rap' song.


I have argued many times that Black Sabbath was more jazz than blues. At least the first couple of albums.

I would also argue that Deep Purple was the original heavy metal... Or maybe MC5 (Kick Out the Jams!) Maybe MC5 was the original Punk rock?



First Shock rocker - Alice Cooper (the band, not the individual).
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Well Black Sabbath was originally a blues band called Earth that formed the same year that Deep Purple did. That mixed with the fact that Sabbath is much heavier, I don’t think Deep Purple could be called the first metal band. Sure they are heavier than most at the time, but not heavier than Sabbath.

I also believe ‘Heavy Metal’ and ‘Metal’ are two very different genres. Heavy metal being more 80’s Metallica, Crue, etc. Where metal is Lamb of God, Obscura, At The Gates. By that standard, yes, Deep Purple is the first ‘Heavy Metal’ band, where Sabbath is the first ‘Metal’ band.
 
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PillO said:
I have argued many times that Black Sabbath was more jazz than blues. At least the first couple of albums.
I would also argue that Deep Purple was the original heavy metal...
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Would be interesting to take a closer look at the evolution of the holy trinity of heavy metal (Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple) to see if one clearly comes out as the originator.

Here's a quote from wiki about Deep Purple...
The interplay between Blackmore's guitar and Lord's distorted organ, coupled with Gillan's powerful, wide-ranging vocals and the rhythm section of Glover and Paice, now started to take on a unique identity that separated the band from its earlier albums.[5] Along with Zeppelin's Led Zeppelin II and Sabbath's Paranoid, In Rock codified the budding heavy metal genre.[2]
 
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Moving on from Gibson anti-bashing and proto-metal...

I was chatting with the guitar dept manager at my local L&M this week. The topic of "kids don't play music anymore" came up. He laughs it off as internet hype. He notes that they have more than 2,000 students at this location alone; the vast majority are kids. I note that this ignores those that are not taking lessons/taking lessons elsewhere/taking lessons by internet. And 2,000 students is 1% of the local population. Anytime on a Saturday, the place is packed and loud with people trying out instruments.
 
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D.M.N. said:
Well the entirety of Are You Experienced I think can be seen as a watershed moment.
Blue Cheer's Summer Time Blues, and the album Vincebus Eruptum.
The Stooges' I Wanna Be Your Dog
Van Halen I, another watershed moment for guitar playing
The Who's A Quick One While He's Away which I think is really pointing ahead to the fully fleshed idea of concept albums and rock operas. While Pet Sounds came out earlier and Sgt Pepper was concurrent and are both named as early concept albums, the song A Quick One really gets to the ideas of the concept album in a more condensed form, such as a complete story and revisiting themes to connect the story. While other early examples have themes, I think A Quick One is where the story-telling aspect becomes clear.
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John Bonham and drums. Alex Van Halen and the double kick pedal. It is endless!
 
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GBassNorth said:
Nice song, but I thought that came out in the late 1980's. Wasn't hip hop around before then?
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Hip hop was, but not like that. The Message was about as close to a ballad as you could get before LLCoolJ came along with that one. It was in about 1985 or so.
 
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Dr_Feelgoood212 said:
Well Black Sabbath was originally a blues band called Earth that formed the same year that Deep Purple did. That mixed with the fact that Sabbath is much heavier, I don’t think Deep Purple could be called the first metal band. Sure they are heavier than most at the time, but not heavier than Sabbath.

I also believe ‘Heavy Metal’ and ‘Metal’ are two very different genres. Heavy metal being more 80’s Metallica, Crue, etc. Where metal is Lamb of God, Obscura, At The Gates. By that standard, yes, Deep Purple is the first ‘Heavy Metal’ band, where Sabbath is the first ‘Metal’ band.
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Am interesting take, valid in the context, I'd say. I will propose, though, that the opening, pulsing bass riff of "No One Came" is pretty sensational, and a good deal more exciting than a lot of Sabbath's dirgey, albeit way heavier, riffings. Heavy is different than intense, perhaps... I'd call them different takes on a theme.
They did both share a lot of blues roots, and they did each venture into "progressive" territory.
Just kicking it around. .
 
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PillO said:
Certainly what sticks in my mind as the first 'rap' song.


I have argued many times that Black Sabbath was more jazz than blues. At least the first couple of albums.

I would also argue that Deep Purple was the original heavy metal... Or maybe MC5 (Kick Out the Jams!) Maybe MC5 was the original Punk rock?



First Shock rocker - Alice Cooper (the band, not the individual).
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to me Purple was hard rock, kinda there with Zep but not as cleverly marketed. to be a true heavy metal band you have to be from Birmingham (as was Sabbath) as the name was coined by Rob Halford in describing the unrelenting sound of the hydraulic hammers at British Steel in the midlands..
 
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GBassNorth said:
Interesting discussions about Cream. Love Jacks stuff and style.
So here's a question for all to ponder..
IYHO - name a rock band that you think was well ahead of its time and point to a specific song or album. It could apply to any type of rock (including pop, acid, metal, prog, rap, grunge...). Basically who do you feel was the first to blaze a trail. And don't cop out with root type stuff that led to modern rock (it all goes back to blues eventually). Instead, just name a song that everyone would agree is about the first example of that genre of rock. Bonus points in someone in the band played a Thunderbird type bass.

For instance the first Rap type song I think I ever heard was Blondie's "Rapture" in 1980. Unfortunately I think Nigel Harrison was a Fender guy.
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As much as I dig that tune, I would have to argue the first Rap song was Aerosmith's "Walk this Way" recorded in 75. So much so, Run DMZ rerecorded it later in the 80s as a full blown Rap tune...
Bonus Points: Tom Hamilton loved TBirds!..(Sweet Emotion on that same record was recorded on a Bird)..
 
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Chucky Stiletti said:
As much as I dig that tune, I would have to argue the first Rap song was Aerosmith's "Walk this Way" recorded in 75. So much so, Run DMZ rerecorded it later in the 80s as a full blown Rap tune...
Bonus Points: Tom Hamilton loved TBirds!..(Sweet Emotion on that same record was recorded on a Bird)..
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Well, by that standard, we can go back to 1968 - Rap originated with....



William Shatner!


Go ahead, look. I dare you...
 
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Count Bassie said:
Am interesting take, valid in the context, I'd say. I will propose, though, that the opening, pulsing bass riff of "No One Came" is pretty sensational, and a good deal more exciting than a lot of Sabbath's dirgey, albeit way heavier, riffings. Heavy is different than intense, perhaps... I'd call them different takes on a theme.
They did both share a lot of blues roots, and they did each venture into "progressive" territory.
Just kicking it around. .
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Love that tune..."no one came around for miles and said...":thumbsup:
 
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