Thunderbird Club

[MCF]

Good grief, the GenPop is at it again.

There apparently is no end to the "let's bash Gibson" train.
Henry is booted out and a guitar rocker takes takes the helm with intent to replace the entire board of directors with guitar (and hopefully bass) players, improve quality and offerings and completely turn the company around - and the GenPop here at TB has virtually nothing positive to say.

Forgive me, my Queen, for I mindlessly wandered outside this club of enlightenment and open mindedness, this garden of Eden surrounded by Thunderbirds of every make, age and color. Of course while I was out there I left a slight mess in isle three.

I saw you had lurked there, read a few more posts after that, but got bored. Trying to keep my mind off the debacle unfolding in Milwaukee.

 

[MCF]

Is it a new one? I can't keep track. Didn't someone post this week that Gibson just filed for bankruptcy? Needless to say, The collective business wisdom on TB is … limited.

There was a thread earlier in the week about how KKR was going to dismantle the company. For those in the know (I used to work in capital markets and still talk to my friends on Wall St.) KKR was playing a very long game. They had wanted to own Gibson guitars because it is so profitable. So they leant Henry J as much money as he would take for all the ridiculous acquisitions. If the acquisitions worked, they would make out like bandits; if they didn't, they took control of Gibson (the asset they wanted all along).

They certainly gave him enough rope.

 

[PillO]

They certainly gave him enough rope.

gave him more rope than he would need and encouraged him to take noose tying courses...

 

[Mike.C.]

Hip hop was, but not like that. The Message was about as close to a ballad as you could get before LLCoolJ came along with that one. It was in about 1985 or so.

Didn’t ‘Turn Out The Lights’ by World Class Wreckin Crew come first?

 

[RedVee]

Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath, which, kinda obviously, also came before the band changing its name.

Though I have heard votes for You really got me as first song; and The Who as the first heavy metal band.

But I also read a thing with John Lennon trying to lay claim on behalf of The Beatles.

 

[GBassNorth]

I saw you had lurked there, read a few more posts after that, but got bored. Trying to keep my mind off the debacle unfolding in Milwaukee.

What's going on in Milwaukee? (If it's political you don't need to answer, there's a lot of that going about these days).

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

One Canadian supporting another.

 

[PillO]

I looked, and it was worth it!

Ahem.

 

[MCF]

What's going on in Milwaukee? (If it's political you don't need to answer, there's a lot of that going about these days).

Dodgers got clobbered.

 

[Gaolee]

If you could see all that I can here...………….


Anywho, as I've always said, it's you guys that make the place we have here nice. As we approach 100,000 posts and are over 2 million views, I'd say you guys are way more than alright!

For two reasons. 1. We play Thunderbirds which are awesome bass guitars, and 2. We have an awesome queen. Nobody can compete.

 

[Gaolee]

As much as I dig that tune, I would have to argue the first Rap song was Aerosmith's "Walk this Way" recorded in 75. So much so, Run DMZ rerecorded it later in the 80s as a full blown Rap tune...
Bonus Points: Tom Hamilton loved TBirds!..(Sweet Emotion on that same record was recorded on a Bird)..

I believe this was a number of years sooner.

 

[Gaolee]

Didn’t ‘Turn Out The Lights’ by World Class Wreckin Crew come first?

Could be. 'I Need Love' was the one that caught me completely by surprise. There was all kinds of stuff going on in NYC at that time, and I was just lucky enough to have been there to experience some of it. There were so many things going on that it is inevitable I missed something.

 

[JJR58]

Could be. 'I Need Love' was the one that caught me completely by surprise. There was all kinds of stuff going on in NYC at that time, and I was just lucky enough to have been there to experience some of it. There were so many things going on that it is inevitable I missed something.

Ditto Will!!!

 

[MCF]

Would be interesting to take a closer look at the evolution of the holy trinity of heavy metal (Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple) to see if one clearly comes out as the originator.

Here's a quote from wiki about Deep Purple...
The interplay between Blackmore's guitar and Lord's distorted organ, coupled with Gillan's powerful, wide-ranging vocals and the rhythm section of Glover and Paice, now started to take on a unique identity that separated the band from its earlier albums.[5] Along with Zeppelin's Led Zeppelin II and Sabbath's Paranoid, In Rock codified the budding heavy metal genre.[2]

May have missed it, but didn’t see mention of Iron Butterfly. ‘68 for In-A-Godda Da-Vida. Pretty heavy. And they had metal in their name. The 10 year old me thought that it was pretty awesome. It still is.

 

[MCF]

I believe this was a number of years sooner.

I follow exactly one TV series, Homeland. And the use of that in the opener is so fitting.

 

[MCF]

gave him more rope than he would need and encouraged him to take noose tying courses...

I like that line. Mind if I use it?

 

[JIO]

Well the entirety of Are You Experienced I think can be seen as a watershed moment.
Blue Cheer's Summer Time Blues, and the album Vincebus Eruptum.
The Stooges' I Wanna Be Your Dog
Van Halen I, another watershed moment for guitar playing
The Who's A Quick One While He's Away which I think is really pointing ahead to the fully fleshed idea of concept albums and rock operas. While Pet Sounds came out earlier and Sgt Pepper was concurrent and are both named as early concept albums, the song A Quick One really gets to the ideas of the concept album in a more condensed form, such as a complete story and revisiting themes to connect the story. While other early examples have themes, I think A Quick One is where the story-telling aspect becomes clear.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

I believe this was a number of years sooner.

Yup, sure sounds like Rap..

 

[Gaolee]

I follow exactly one TV series, Homeland. And the use of that in the opener is so fitting.

I am culturally illiterate. I didn't know there was a TV series called Homeland, let alone that they borrowed that song as a theme. I found out recently that a pundit I have a low regard for appropriated the bass line from one of my favorite Pretenders songs. I hope Chrissy Hynde got paid well, because it sure is diappointing when something like that happens. Even worse if the writer and performer get shafted in the process.

 

[GBassNorth]

May have missed it, but didn’t see mention of Iron Butterfly. ‘68 for In-A-Godda Da-Vida. Pretty heavy. And they had metal in their name. The 10 year old me thought that it was pretty awesome. It still is.

Excellent point!
So between Iron Butterfly, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath - who had the first heavy rock song out first, and what was it?