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Thunderbird Club

#HowIStarted

Now, I'm to the point that anything but a Thunderbird or something like a Thunderbird sounds a little thin. Even the Precision. Sometimes that's the sound I want to hear. The one sound I just can't deal with is a Jazz. Those just don't work for me at all.

I think you figured it out--unlike me! I'm a no Twitter or Facebook person (and live a completely fulfilled life!).

I know what you mean about Jazzes. I have two and they are at the low end of my basses that sound great. I like playing them and they sound OK, but I never get some of those wonderful sounds that others seem to get. But then again I'm not playing through $10+ in equipment either. Thin is indeed a pretty good description on my end as well. They seem to either lean toward honky or boomy--not thick. T-Birds on the other hand are in a category all their own. Its the one bass I play and really find myself listening to how wonderful the tone is either live or rehearsal. It keeps going through my mind, "Man, this thing sounds so amazing!"
 
Can they sound like flats? My plan is use a Bird in the reggae band.

That should work well - T-birds are generally dark sounding so with your perameters in the bass territory tone-wise you should be able to rumble with a little edge.
 
I think you figured it out--unlike me! I'm a no Twitter or Facebook person (and live a completely fulfilled life!).

I know what you mean about Jazzes. I have two and they are at the low end of my basses that sound great. I like playing them and they sound OK, but I never get some of those wonderful sounds that others seem to get. But then again I'm not playing through $10+ in equipment either. Thin is indeed a pretty good description on my end as well. They seem to either lean toward honky or boomy--not thick. T-Birds on the other hand are in a category all their own. Its the one bass I play and really find myself listening to how wonderful the tone is either live or rehearsal. It keeps going through my mind, "Man, this thing sounds so amazing!"
Funny thing about it is that it took me a while to nail down the sound. Thunderbird pickups can be a bit overwhelming at times. I tried a compressor and hated what it did. I tried a different compressor. No better. I tried a ToneHammer preamp. It didn't sound right. The part that finally made it all come together, no matter which 'Bird (or other bass for that matter) is a Broughton Hi and Low Pass filter. It doesn't do anything audible, really, but it does somehow make the bass sit exactly right where it belongs. I expect that it suppresses low frequencies that we cannot hear but that soak up power. It also suppresses high overtones that detract from the sound, leaving the meat in a big, even, glorious cascade. I find that I turn up a whole lot less with it than I was without it, and it cuts better now, too. But, it sounds like a 'Bird just the same. The P sounds like a P with it, too. No particular changes.
 
I think you figured it out--unlike me! I'm a no Twitter or Facebook person (and live a completely fulfilled life!).

I know what you mean about Jazzes. I have two and they are at the low end of my basses that sound great. I like playing them and they sound OK, but I never get some of those wonderful sounds that others seem to get. But then again I'm not playing through $10+ in equipment either. Thin is indeed a pretty good description on my end as well. They seem to either lean toward honky or boomy--not thick. T-Birds on the other hand are in a category all their own. Its the one bass I play and really find myself listening to how wonderful the tone is either live or rehearsal. It keeps going through my mind, "Man, this thing sounds so amazing!"
My Jazz doesn’t sound thin at all, but it’s got Samarium Cobalt pickups which are stacked coil humbuckers. It can approach the Jaco nasal thing with the bridge PU soloed. Its expressive voice comes out when playing around the octave or higher.
 
Funny thing about it is that it took me a while to nail down the sound. Thunderbird pickups can be a bit overwhelming at times. I tried a compressor and hated what it did. I tried a different compressor. No better. I tried a ToneHammer preamp. It didn't sound right. The part that finally made it all come together, no matter which 'Bird (or other bass for that matter) is a Broughton Hi and Low Pass filter. It doesn't do anything audible, really, but it does somehow make the bass sit exactly right where it belongs. I expect that it suppresses low frequencies that we cannot hear but that soak up power. It also suppresses high overtones that detract from the sound, leaving the meat in a big, even, glorious cascade. I find that I turn up a whole lot less with it than I was without it, and it cuts better now, too. But, it sounds like a 'Bird just the same. The P sounds like a P with it, too. No particular changes.

Sounds like a BBE Sonic Stomp. It's a recent acquisition and I've been using it on everything.

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My Jazz doesn’t sound thin at all, but it’s got Samarium Cobalt pickups which are stacked coil humbuckers. It can approach the Jaco nasal thing with the bridge PU soloed. Its expressive voice comes out when playing around the octave or higher.

At the end of the day each flavor (J, P, T-bird, MM, etc etc) has its unique thing it does best. If a J doesn't do that, it's that J, or that J that hasn't been synched successfully with strings, pu's, amp, and approach.
 
It's a 'final edit' of the song, so once I have the set (4 songs) done I'll post them on SoundCloud. Here's one (on SC) using my Kubicki pre powered Saundersbird in the meantime - kind of on the other end of the spectrum style-wise


Good sound I really like that. Not often I like much.

Wow, that would be awesome GBN! I'd love to meet you and play/hear that bass! You could test drive a few others of mine in the process! I've wanted to try a trans-black over silver-leaf finish for a while now - a T-bird would be the perfect platform for that look!

My (passive) Glam P/J also favors 'lead' voicing due to it's heavily chambered body and bridge internal anchoring. Still offers nice fat bass but really sounds good in the higher register.

I’d love to see that finish

#HowIStarted

Did I do that right? I don't do the Twitter thing, so I never, ever use the pound sign/number sign/hashtag. Ever. This isn't just how I started, but lots after that, too.

I started playing piano at 9 and did that until I graduated from high school. The problem I had was that the piano wasn't portable and I couldn't sneak off to a corner with it. You could with a guitar, so I got a really cheap and awful one from a pawn shop back when you could get an occasional gem from a pawn shop. I didn't with that one, but so it goes. No lessons, but I started learning and had about two years of messing with it under my belt before heading off to college. In college, there were a zillion guitar players and all of them were a whole lot better than me. There were no bass players. Somewhere early in my second year in college I decided it was time to try bass. It made perfect sense all of a sudden. Bass playing was like coming home, even though my first bass was like playing a broom stick with a bowling ball tied to the wrong end. I didn't think anything about brands, scale length, strings, or much of anything else. I wanted to sound like Ox, but Jack Cassidy or Jack Bruce would have been OK, too. I was fascinated by Larry Graham and even Stanley Clarke, too. There were all kinds of music I was listening to at the time, so nothing in particular was a major influence. I'll get banned for this, but I never paid any attention to Jaco.

The freebass came along about a year later. I got it as a throw-in when I bought a cheap little practice amp. I had been plugging into a stereo. I recall plugging the bass into the headphone jack, which shouldn't work, but that's what I remember doing. Nothing caught on fire, so I guess all's well that ends well. I played the freebass for a number of years, and eventually supplemented the cheap little practice amp with an Acoustic 126 combo that I got just slightly used. I still have it.

In the early 1980s, I managed to trade the freebass, more or less even, for the Gibson EB-2 that I still have. It was my only bass for a very long time, and I never thought about it being fragile, rare, vintage, or anything else. I got it for less than $0.10, effectively, so I didn't think of it as anything special.

After taking the better part of 20 years off to have a family, pay a mortgage, raise a kid, and generally do all the conventional things an American boy is supposed to grow up to do, I started playing again about ten years ago. The EB-2 came out again, and I started getting comments about how unusual it was. At that point, I decided maybe it should have a case instead of just a gig bag. Then I decided it might be a good idea to have another, less fragile bass guitar. The less fragile bass guitar I got was a bolt-on Epi Thunderbird. It needed the upper strap button moved and I played it for a while, then gave it to my son and bought a Fender RW Precision. I put ashtrays and a tug bar on it and have kept it ever since. It's now officially pounded, no longer a bit of a poser.

One of the bands I was playing in had a BL who really liked Rics, so I decided to try a Ric. I found a 1998 for cheap (for a Ric), and bought it. I played it for a couple years, but found myself missing the Thunderbird more and more. I won a "losing" eBay bid for a Pro IV, thinking I would try an active bass and get another Thunderbird at the same time. That one left me cold as far as sound, but I remembered everything I loved about playing a Thunderbird from an ergonomic standpoint. It is now my fretless, with different pickups and no preamp.

Which led to selling the Ric and buying the '91 Thunderbird, which has turned into a flock. They breed, y'know.

The whole route to Thunderbirds was not by design, nor was it because of anybody's specific influence. There was no specific sound that I was going for and trying to recreate. Each bass has it's own sound through each amp, which also has its own sound. I'm tweaking what I like or don't like about each combination, but they are different and entertaining to match with the specifics of whatever the song should have. I fell in love with Thunderbirds because of the way they hang, and the freedom to move them in all directions while playing. They don't dictate where they need to be, like a Ric or a Fender does. If the neck was more Precision size, I would be happier, but you can't have everything. I'll take a smaller neck and adapt in order to play the rest of the bass in a way I prefer.

Now, I'm to the point that anything but a Thunderbird or something like a Thunderbird sounds a little thin. Even the Precision. Sometimes that's the sound I want to hear. The one sound I just can't deal with is a Jazz. Those just don't work for me at all.

Lucky fing guy! A free eb2.... at no point in history should that bass have ever even been cheap never mind free....I really want one. I think I might like the single pickup version.

Funny thing about it is that it took me a while to nail down the sound. Thunderbird pickups can be a bit overwhelming at times. I tried a compressor and hated what it did. I tried a different compressor. No better. I tried a ToneHammer preamp. It didn't sound right. The part that finally made it all come together, no matter which 'Bird (or other bass for that matter) is a Broughton Hi and Low Pass filter. It doesn't do anything audible, really, but it does somehow make the bass sit exactly right where it belongs. I expect that it suppresses low frequencies that we cannot hear but that soak up power. It also suppresses high overtones that detract from the sound, leaving the meat in a big, even, glorious cascade. I find that I turn up a whole lot less with it than I was without it, and it cuts better now, too. But, it sounds like a 'Bird just the same. The P sounds like a P with it, too. No particular changes.

That’s a Very good idea...I’ve been talking about my preference for short scale....without knowing why I tried to explain why I like The Amb1 so much....I said somehow it just sounds lower than other basses.....someone explained that shortscales have less overtones. I have a small fender t bucket acoustic 3/4 size.... I love the sound....not bassy....lower in the way that it’s not accompanied by high overtones.
 
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along with the Marshall 100 Watter....prolly the most unconventional reggae setup ever!..:thumbsup:

I don't know about that - the famous Reggae basses were 70's J's, and I think a T-bird can out-bottom a J generally speaking. With Reggae you need to feel the bass physically. So much of Reggae sub-bass lives in the drivers. 18" or even 2 would push serious air and rattle the stage using most any bass... even a 4 double-0 3 Rickenbacker. :D

 
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I don't know about that - the famous Reggae basses were 70's J's, and I think a T-bird can out-bottom a J generally speaking. So much of Reggae sub-bass lives in the drivers. 18" or even 2 would push serious air and rattle the stage using most any bass... even a 4 double-0 3 Rickenbacker. :D


Dunno, saw many guys with P basses strung with a mix of nylons and flatwounds in reggae setups. The J was considered more upmarket for some..
 
I don't know about that - the famous Reggae basses were 70's J's, and I think a T-bird can out-bottom a J generally speaking. With Reggae you need to feel the bass physically. So much of Reggae sub-bass lives in the drivers. 18" or even 2 would push serious air and rattle the stage using most any bass... even a 4 double-0 3 Rickenbacker. :D


It's never the bass, always a combo of elements and a player who can dig it out, and lay it in the right pocket. Different basses have different voices, but they can all work...
More than one way to give a cat a bath...
 
I don't know about that - the famous Reggae basses were 70's J's, and I think a T-bird can out-bottom a J generally speaking. With Reggae you need to feel the bass physically. So much of Reggae sub-bass lives in the drivers. 18" or even 2 would push serious air and rattle the stage using most any bass... even a 4 double-0 3 Rickenbacker. :D



I love Portlandia. Best documentary on TV.
 
Dunno, saw many guys with P basses strung with a mix of nylons and flatwounds in reggae setups. The J was considered more upmarket for some..

It's never the bass, always a combo of elements and a player who can dig it out, and lay it in the right pocket. Different basses have different voices, but they can all work...
More than one way to give a cat a bath...

never is a long time! ;)

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