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#141,523
TBird1958 said:
There's an intensely bright object in skies of Seattle just now - wonder what it is? :laugh:
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does it look like this?..
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Anyone want to ask me what I think the three are?

1) pickup inductance and pickup capacitance in parallel ("pickup self-resonance"), often around 3KHz, best heard with tone turned up
2) pickup inductance and tone control capacitor in parallel, often around 300Hz, best heard at Tone = 0
3) neck/body resonance, probably even lower than that.

I think that a lot of "action" or "rock attitude" like growl, grind, etc, is caused by one or more of the above.
My favorite is #2, and I believe that the high DC resistance of Ric pickups is preventing it in my Ric, which is depressing, and is one reason I'm here in the Thunderbird forum.
 
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LetItGrowTone said:
Anyone want to ask me what I think the three are?

1) pickup inductance and pickup capacitance in parallel ("pickup self-resonance"), often around 3KHz, best heard with tone turned up
2) pickup inductance and tone control capacitor in parallel, often around 300Hz, best heard at Tone = 0
3) neck/body resonance, probably even lower than that.

I think that a lot of "action" or "rock attitude" like growl, grind, etc, is caused by one or more of the above.
My favorite is #2, and I believe that the high DC resistance of Ric pickups is preventing it in my Ric, which is depressing, and is one reason I'm here in the Thunderbird forum.
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T-Bird pups have a pretty large Rdc as well...
 
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But, if I'm not mistaken, the Ric pickups are wound with finer wire (44g), so they don't have as much inductance as you'd expect from most pickups with that much resistance. So, the "Q" is lower, reducing the prominence of either #1 or #2, above.
Edit: Being wound with finer wire they have more resistance per turn, thus fewer turns than expected, thus less inductance.

Edit: Not certain about the above because I'm not sure of my info. I am sure that my Ric is missing both #1 and #2 (compared to J-type or P-type), and just fishing for the reason why.
 
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TBird1958 said:
Well, I'm glad you see it too, Will. All in all it's frightening.
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I did see it. But now I don't see it. It's better now.

I was out on the Olympic Peninsula yesterday in the rain. Narrow, winding roads through the Olympic Mountains are an adventure in the dark and the rain. I'm a little fried today. The thing in the sky seemed like a hallucination, but since somebody else saw it, I feel a little saner.
 
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LetItGrowTone said:
But, if I'm not mistaken, the Ric pickups are wound with finer wire (44g), so they don't have as much inductance as you'd expect from most pickups with that much resistance. So, the "Q" is lower, reducing the prominence of either #1 or #2, above.
Edit: Being wound with finer wire they have more resistance per turn, thus fewer turns than expected, thus less inductance.

Edit: Not certain about the above because I'm not sure of my info. I am sure that my Ric is missing both #1 and #2 (compared to J-type or P-type), and just fishing for the reason why.
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Lower L will definitely do it. It will also push the pup resonance upwards as will the lower C resulting from less turns. The permeability of the magnet material could also influence the difference...don’t know much about Ric pups but it sounds like they are a completely different beast when compared to Fender pups and even more so, when compared to Bird pups...
 
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LetItGrowTone said:
But, if I'm not mistaken, the Ric pickups are wound with finer wire (44g), so they don't have as much inductance as you'd expect from most pickups with that much resistance. So, the "Q" is lower, reducing the prominence of either #1 or #2, above.
Edit: Being wound with finer wire they have more resistance per turn, thus fewer turns than expected, thus less inductance.

Edit: Not certain about the above because I'm not sure of my info. I am sure that my Ric is missing both #1 and #2 (compared to J-type or P-type), and just fishing for the reason why.
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Chucky Stiletti said:
Lower L will definitely do it. It will also push the pup resonance upwards as will the lower C resulting from less turns. The permeability of the magnet material could also influence the difference...don’t know much about Ric pups but it sounds like they are a completely different beast when compared to Fender pups and even more so, when compared to Bird pups...
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STOP MAKING ME TRY TO REMEMBER ELECTRONICS AND PHYSICS I FORGOT 30 YEARS AGO!

Thank you. It is making me feel... What's that word?
 
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PillO said:
I think stupid and/or demented* are the words...

* Demented meaning suffering from dementia**

** Dementia meaning the symptoms of some organic brain diseases; typically disordered memory, executive function, and cognition.
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Nah. If you can state that clearly, you're good. You just had some long-term memory banks go off-line through lack of use. We'll plu gyour barin into an SVT output; that'll charge everything right up.
 
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