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Thunderbird Club

I really am in the dark about Gibson the company, but I thought the employee buyout from Norlin was originally viewed as a good thing? Anybody got a link where I can read up on their recent history?
 
Gibson has done A LOT of very strange things over the years with Henry J at the helm, it wasn't much better when Norlin owned them either - I don't really hold a lot of hope for basses in their future, I wish I had more money to spend on their older instruments tho.
 
If you look at the business, it seems obvious that electric guitars must be a more lucrative venture than electric bass. It would appear that instrument sales in general have steadily downtrended over the years, Part of this is due to popularity of digital/electronic music, which means fewer kids are trying to roooock (and diffusion of new leisure activities, like video gaming, have crowded other activities out, like taking lessons, practicing and being in a band). But the T-bird is such an iconic instrument, as the folks have noted above, there must be a way to expand product offerings and build upon brand equity (as opposed to cannibalizing sales via the value-oriented Epiphone).

My 2015 T-bird pretty much fell in my lap because I got a insane deal on it. But how can a 2015 model be priced at over $2k (even if the case candy included a dated photo of my Axe on the factory work bench)? And why isn't there something in between the Epi and the $2000+ American version? I know that we aren't supposed to mention F@#*er here but they offer two U.S.-made versions of Jazz and P-bass (American Standard and American Elite) with retail at a couple hundred in between (and neither close to $2k). Below that is the very serviceable Standard (MIM) and then the Squier. They also have a variety of artist models at different price points. You get a variety of choices in color, fretboard and electronics. Heck, now you can order directly from the company and mix/match things to your liking.

Now, do I want to pay $900+ for a MIM because Dee Dee Ramone and Flea (with the new roached out pink Jazz) had one? No. In fact, I don't even think of a jazz bass, when I think of Flea. I don't really think Strat, when I think of the Edge either. But it must move people to buy. And occasionally, an artist model actually improves on the tone and functionality of an instrument (e.g., new Johnny Marr Jag).

Over the years, more people have played a T-bird than Nikki Sixx. Why not try a few new signature models (with artists from different genres) and/or venture away from default color choice = sunburst. I think we would all agree that the vibe, aesthetic or cool factor have influenced our preferences for a bass or guitar at one time or another. It would seem that Gibson could simply differentiate by varying tonewoods, electronics and cases vs gigbag, to offer a greater selection of T-birds at different price points. Just because it is made in the U.S. does not mean it has to cost a couple of grand. Gibson manages to sell American-made Les Pauls for around a grand or under. Rick, F*#@er and even PRS manage to do it too and offer reasonable quality in the process.

Sorry for the rant and if I was Captain Obvious here (not to be confused with Captain Sensible of The Damned). I will go see Nurse Rached for my meds now.
 
The one goofy thing they tried was the so called robot electronic tuners. Those didn't last long. I'm right there with you, Stevis. They could have Thunderbirds with different pickup combinations, reverse Thunderbirds with different pickup combinations, different wood for the bodies, different colors. You name it. They could have fancy custom shop Thunderbirds, mid range Thunderbirds, and cheap Thunderbirds. I don't understand why they don't. The rest of their guitar line seems to be getting winnowed out to some kind of nostalgia caricature. I love Gibson guitars, and always end up coming back to Gibson or things based on Gibson designs, so we are out there. Gibson won't be if they keep it up.
 
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So, now having a Greco en route, I was putting around looking stuff up about them and came across this old ad. Anyone every actually seen one with gold hardware in real life?

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They're also referred to here as the TB64-80, and I've seen others refer to them as TB900, was it different names from two different series (TB900 maybe being the older ones and the TB64-80 referring to the same model under the "Super Real" series?).


Also, since there's already chips and what not in the tobacco burst finish, I'm thinking of refinishing it (eventually, when I have time/money). My first instinct is either white (I've always loved how clean a really white bass looks, Rickenbackers, Fenders, etc) or Ice Blue Metallic. I know, not a Gibson colour, but I really like light powder blue metallic finishes. The inspiration being this one, but as a metallic paint:

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Some thing along these lines:

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Other colours in the running would be (pale) Golden Mist Poly, Heather Poly, Pelham Blue and just Shell Pink:

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The one goofy thing they tried was the so called robot electronic tuners. Those didn't last long.

My son(he's 15) absolutely loves the mini-tune system I put on his 61' Re-Issue Gibson SG. I know, I know... not very '61-ish but I must tell you, it is an amazing tool for moving from song to song and tuning to tuning. He's become a master at using the thing and his ability to recall all the different tunings he needs off the top of his head makes me jealous.

Ahhh, to be young again.

Anyway, it is neat. A couple of button pushes and a couple of strums and he's ready to play. Lots of "real" guitarists pulled them off their guitars the minute they got them instead of seeing what they can do. That's why there's a bunch of them on eBAY for a good price.
 
My son(he's 15) absolutely loves the mini-tune system I put on his 61' Re-Issue Gibson SG. I know, I know... not very '61-ish but I must tell you, it is an amazing tool for moving from song to song and tuning to tuning. He's become a master at using the thing and his ability to recall all the different tunings he needs off the top of his head makes me jealous.

Ahhh, to be young again.

Anyway, it is neat. A couple of button pushes and a couple of strums and he's ready to play. Lots of "real" guitarists pulled them off their guitars the minute they got them instead of seeing what they can do. That's why there's a bunch of them on eBAY for a good price.
I recently watched a youtube video with Lee Anderton and Rob Chapman. They were playing a Gibson with the auto tuning system and commented about how a lot of people slammed the idea. But, they actually love it.
 
The tone on the Epi pros with Gibson pickups is exceptional and very close to the Gbird. But the difference remains in the output...it still doesn't sizzle like a Gibson. If price isn't holding one back, I'd still shell out for a Gbird. For those limited by budget, the Epi pros are one hell of a great purchase. I have 2013 Gbird, an Epi Goth and some others in the quiver...I sometimes keep my peripheral vision open for a white Epi pro just because GAS.