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Time to switch cabs...

Swapping out 610hlf with V4B Reissue...

  • 410he

    Votes: 8 23.5%

  • 212av

    Votes: 21 61.8%

  • 212av and SVT-CL to compensate for less speaker surface volume wise

    Votes: 5 14.7%
  • Total voters
    34
FIREpunkMEDIC

FIREpunkMEDIC

Jun 2, 2017
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#1
So...after a year or so and several gigs it's time to move away from my 610hlf with my V4B Reissue. I have found repeatedly that in a live situation for stage volume my lows turn into an undefined mess. No punch. The mids and highs still cut through fine and the preamp DI sounds great through FOH, so I know the crowd gets a good mix. I'm debating if I should go 410he or 212AV. My master and gain are still fairly low 10/11 o'clock, and have tried to eq all different ways to tighten up those lows. Not happening. So, the question is do I go 212av or 410he. The 212 opens up the potential for an SVT should I need more volume due to less speakers, but the 410he are sealed and punchy which works well for our punk/power-pop cover band. Any thoughts from people with experience through similar rigs?
 
#9
If the hpf doesn't get you there (which it easily should) I like the 410 he live. Used one for years. They sound a bit more bassy than 15s to me, but it's not sloppy at all.
 
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FIREpunkMEDIC said:
Any recs on a particular HPF?
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I have the Broughton Audio "always on" unit. The one with just one knob and no numbers. I just dial it up until my sound starts sounding a little thin and then I back it off a bit.

One other thing. I have used the Tech 21 YYZ pedal and it has a switch on it labeled "tight." It puts an EQ shape on the low end that I'm pretty sure is partly a high pass filter. Neat pedal.
 
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One of these'll fix it for ya
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FIREpunkMEDIC said:
So...after a year or so and several gigs it's time to move away from my 610hlf with my V4B Reissue. I have found repeatedly that in a live situation for stage volume my lows turn into an undefined mess. No punch. The mids and highs still cut through fine and the preamp DI sounds great through FOH, so I know the crowd gets a good mix. I'm debating if I should go 410he or 212AV. My master and gain are still fairly low 10/11 o'clock, and have tried to eq all different ways to tighten up those lows. Not happening. So, the question is do I go 212av or 410he. The 212 opens up the potential for an SVT should I need more volume due to less speakers, but the 410he are sealed and punchy which works well for our punk/power-pop cover band. Any thoughts from people with experience through similar rigs?
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I like my 610hlf with my v4b. But, it really likes my SVT better.

410he is a great cabinet. But it actually lacks in the low end. You need to add something else to it. Either another 410he or the 15. The 212av is really mid forward. You'll find yourself scooping a lot of it out. If you're running your sound off your pedalboard, this isn't a problem at all. Your amp's just for you anyway. That's what I do. Run off my board, and set my amp for me and the stage. The 212av is a great cab, with oomph to it. Just, a little too mid forward.
 
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My .02. I’ve read numerous statements that the v4B’s 100 w doesn’t work well in a loud band situation. A 610 should provide plenty of volume and low end with sufficient power.
What is your eq set at? You use any pedals in your chain?
I’ve also experienced no matter what rig I’ve used over time, adding a compressor, an additional preamp and or drive pedal always sounds more focused and even vs a direct cable from bass to amp.
 
#19
In my opinion, you're trying to win a Grand Prix with a pickup truck. You can make it faster, amd you can do things to the suspension, but at the end of the day, it's a truck.

Like you, evidently, I like a tight, warm, round tone . . . Like a modern version of JPJ on LZ II, and that ain't Ampeg. That's why I use Mesa, but there are plenty of other modern marques out there that will get you to the promised land, sonically (sic) speaking. Bergantino, Darkglass, and Genzler immediately come to mind.

I'm not trying to be flippant, and again, it's just an opinion from some anonymous keyboard warrior.
 
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ELG60 said:
In my opinion, you're trying to win a Grand Prix with a pickup truck. You can make it faster, amd you can do things to the suspension, but at the end of the day, it's a truck.

Like you, evidently, I like a tight, warm, round tone . . . Like a modern version of JPJ on LZ II, and that ain't Ampeg. That's why I use Mesa, but there are plenty of other modern marques out there that will get you to the promised land, sonically (sic) speaking. Bergantino, Darkglass, and Genzler immediately come to mind.

I'm not trying to be flippant, and again, it's just an opinion from some anonymous keyboard warrior.
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Appreciate the response, but doesn't really apply. I have NO problem being heard, or felt. The issue is a lack of definition more than anything. I actually play with a more mid-forward tone, for lack of a better example off the top of my head think Mike Dirnt, or Bryan Keinlen from Bouncing Souls. For what I play Ampeg IS the right tool for the job. It's the lows of that cab that are the issue.
 

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