Time to switch cabs...

[FIREpunkMEDIC]

I like my 610hlf with my v4b. But, it really likes my SVT better.

410he is a great cabinet. But it actually lacks in the low end. You need to add something else to it. Either another 410he or the 15. The 212av is really mid forward. You'll find yourself scooping a lot of it out. If you're running your sound off your pedalboard, this isn't a problem at all. Your amp's just for you anyway. That's what I do. Run off my board, and set my amp for me and the stage. The 212av is a great cab, with oomph to it. Just, a little too mid forward.

Actually given your description the 212 might be what I'm looking for. I actually prefer a mid forward tone (within reason of course). Thanks for the response, Cheers!

 

[agedhorse]

The issue is a lack of definition more than anything. I actually play with a more mid-forward tone, for lack of a better example off the top of my head think Mike Dirnt, or Bryan Keinlen from Bouncing Souls. For what I play Ampeg IS the right tool for the job. It's the lows of that cab that are the issue.

Actually given your description the 212 might be what I'm looking for. I actually prefer a mid forward tone (within reason of course). Thanks for the response, Cheers!

That's the number one complaint of the HLF series cabinets, they have a loose extended low frequency response with a lack of high mids. There is also a significant sensitivity penalty to be had with the HLF compared with the HE.

 

[Stylee Mousse]

Never liked hlf cabs as a sound man or as a guitar player in a band with a fellow that had one. Lots of loose weird lows.

don’t buy the “you don’t have enuf watts, bro” team. When my wife played bass in a britpop type band with me she even tried out removing two output tubes on my vintage v-4b to make it quieter. It really somehow didn’t ?

she also likes a cutting tone, playing a l-2000 through a single 15.

 

[JeezyMcNuggles]

So...after a year or so and several gigs it's time to move away from my 610hlf with my V4B Reissue. I have found repeatedly that in a live situation for stage volume my lows turn into an undefined mess. No punch. The mids and highs still cut through fine and the preamp DI sounds great through FOH, so I know the crowd gets a good mix. I'm debating if I should go 410he or 212AV. My master and gain are still fairly low 10/11 o'clock, and have tried to eq all different ways to tighten up those lows. Not happening. So, the question is do I go 212av or 410he. The 212 opens up the potential for an SVT should I need more volume due to less speakers, but the 410he are sealed and punchy which works well for our punk/power-pop cover band. Any thoughts from people with experience through similar rigs?

Also, they sell other grilles for their amps and cabs. Should you feel the need to accessorize

 

[shadven]

Yes to HPF. I also like the Ampeg 410HE. Nice sounding cabinet with plenty of volume. I use both, a HOF and the 410HE.
The Ampeg 2x12AV didn’t really do it for me.

 

[Brich]

I use the infamous ampeg 410hlf with compression and an Fdeck HPF in my chain, I would also recommend keeping the cab and sticking at least a HPF in front of it

 

[Zooberwerx]

Another vote for a HPF...I use the Broughton always-on...and a single PEQ band at minimum. Come to think of it, the Tech 21 QStrip or similar would do the trick.

Riis

 

[someguyfromNC]

V4b and av cabs are a really good combo. I ran 112 cabs or a 212 cab by itself and they all sound great. Just need a bit of help from the pa but it’s a great sound.

 

[Novarocker]

Yeah, definitely try the hpf, I have the same cab, and a couple sealed ones. The hpf does help, but ultimately I'm switching over to the sealed cabs.

The HE might be where you'd like as it's very tight and the lows are not loose per se. The 12s are my preference, personally but I don't think you'd lose out eitherway.

I'd also back up the you don't need more watts. I thought the same at first, but really only if you're running short on the headroom would I explore more watts.

 

[YourGuitarist]

Appreciate the response, but doesn't really apply. I have NO problem being heard, or felt. The issue is a lack of definition more than anything. I actually play with a more mid-forward tone, for lack of a better example off the top of my head think Mike Dirnt, or Bryan Keinlen from Bouncing Souls. For what I play Ampeg IS the right tool for the job. It's the lows of that cab that are the issue.

If fwd mids are your thing, I would go with the AV series, I've heard consistently good things about them.

 

[elpancho]

I was in the same situation as you years ago, I got rid of the 610HLF and ended up getting (2) 410HE. I run it with my SVT 4 and love it, I also use a Broughton HPF/LPF.

 

[elpancho]