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Double Bass Today's jam featured...

Nov 14, 2019
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I thought it might be fun to have an ongoing thread, where folk briefly described their jams. Where they took place, the instruments that participated...

This morning we had our longstanding Sat a.m. jam at a coffee shop, from 7-9 a.m.

6 of us present.
bass
guitar
2 mandos
2 fiddles

Only thing that coulda been better was if we had a banjo, but since we had only 1 guitar, that guy kept his banjo in his case.

At 9, several of the folk moved to another jam at another bar/coffee shop, but the 2 hrs at the first place is so good, I prefer not to go to that jam, which often features instruments/players I'm not as thrilled to play with.

Eager to hear about your jams.
 
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Small jams, especially where everyone is at a generally similar level and can contribute to making things sound good, can be very nice. They have their own charm.

It sounds like your banjo player is sensitive about appropriateness too, which is nice. Not all banjo players understand that.

The daily jams I host on JamKazam have also been small, 4 to 6 people, the last few days. Participant numbers have run as high as 15 people in the last month and that can become difficult from both a musical and technical aspect -- JamKazam sessions can become extremely unstable with more than 7 to 10 people depending on how well setup for JamKazam they are.

In real life I've been a part of many small jams, and many big jams. I admit, I really do enjoy them both, but I enjoy them for different reasons.

A small jam is intimate and with players at generally the same level, music sounds really pretty good. If people don't have to watch their hands or a sheet of music, body language quickly becomes the preferred mode of communication which is where I start really having fun.

A large jam, again with players at generally the same level, quickly becomes a community out of necessity, with some participants quickly picking up how they can best contribute, and some picking that up more slowly, but everyone recognizing they're a piece of the puzzle. Music quality may not excel, but the fun factor -- the humor in just being a big, random, semi-cooperating group of people, becomes more and more evident.

Regarding instruments, I'm pretty convinced that one bassist and one banjoist are enough in a jam. One bassist is pretty obvious, but most people don't make the connection that a banjo is basically the drummer. Not that a jam participant can control that, but it's my opinion. As a personal rule, I'll happily put my banjo away and play mandolin for any jam that has more than 1 banjoist, or at most two. And of course if there's already a bassist there's usually pretty strong consensus about not needing another.

For the JamKazam jams I always play mandolin. I get plenty of banjo playing time with our band, and there are almost always multiple banjo players in real life jams and on JamKazam, so it's sort of fun getting significant time on mandolin. There may already be more than one mandolin, but it's easy to workout compatible backups and harmonies on the fly with mandolins and even mandolin players who have never played together can actually sound pretty good together.
 
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Last Sat we had bass guitar/banjo, fiddle, 2 mandos.

The one after, which several folk went to, had bass, mando, cello, 2 accordions, 2 ukes, 2 banjos, 4 guitars, 2 fiddles, mando, dobro, harmonica...

From the pics I saw, it looked like quite the cluster***. Glad I went home after 2 hrs of quality music w/ the smaller group.
 
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The one after, which several folk went to, had bass, mando, cello, 2 accordions, 2 ukes, 2 banjos, 4 guitars, 2 fiddles, mando, dobro, harmonica...
Could you please post the specific location - I'd like to be sure to avoid the area just in case it is near me. I checked your profile, but there is no information showing where you reside. Thanks.
 
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Been reading this with interest. My wife plays in a country band, that like others and due to Covid, is not too busy right now. We built a new home a couple of years ago and included a separate music room/garage in the plans. It's equipped with some nice stuff. Once in a while we host a small jam where two of the best guitar lead men show up, and along with my wife, her sister and the guitarists make some pretty good music. I play bass and chime in some with what could be called singing. Actually I'm being a little hard on myself. Guy posts on a local circular that he's looking to jam with country or bluegrass folks..we do some bluegrass from time, so I try fo contact him and finally he calls after giving me the wrong number. After talking a few minutes, I think I've made a mistake by trying to Mr. Nice Guy. Wants to bring amp, banjo, and whatever after telling me he knows all his chords, so I tell him all that is not needed...just his flattop figuring he can't get too much in the way. Luckily he has a weekend job which might prevent him from attending, but how do you handle a new guy who wants to show up and you get vibes that he will not be any kind of a fit in the jam. Sounds like another case of "no good deed goes unpunished". Don't want to be a "p###k, but we do like our music to sound good with the least amount of negative interference. Many people have no idea when they just don't fit into a jam, as you all know.
 
Nice that he talked with you first. Vetting is extremely important. When vetting can't be done, managing who gets information about the jam can be helpful.

Personally I try to vet everyone before giving them entrance into the daily jam I host. But by definition it isn't really an open jam. While we're pretty tolerant of variations there is an expectation of certain instruments and at least some general interest in bluegrass, and a willingness to subscribe to bluegrass style jam ettiquite. Without those, a person wouldn't fit, and I explain it that way.
 
You guys crack me up! :D

Huge open jams can serve a useful purpose - but they are definitely not well suited for ALL purposes.

I live in the western suburbs of Chicago. I found these guys through an on-line list. During the summer, they play at a local farmer's market - where they have played since (I think) 1976. If you are interested, there are several YouTube clips featuring some of the "more senior" members of the group. (If you look closely, you might even get a glimpse of a handsome bassist...). ;)

When I first met them, it was winter. Before Covid, the main group split into 3 smaller groups which had different preferences. I met up with the group that favored BG and met in a coffee shop. A small space, so there was rarely more than 8 pickers, and they were some of the better pickers you see on that vid. They were VERY happy to have a bassist and were very welcoming. It was very much of a crash course for me learning tunes and playing them to speed.

As spring rolled around, they moved back outside to the market. It is a really nice space/experience - under a big tree, the market sells donuts and coffee and has tables set up. A lot of people have been coming to see the group for years. A fun, new experience for me. I met many of my closest friends, and formed my string band with other members. Various groupings of the big group perform under various names, and for various community events.

Then Covid hit. We lost 1 year at the market and indoors. Last summer, the market had really onerous rules, so I went back to golfing Sat mornings. This fall, the coffeeshop allowed a max of 6-7 pickers - which pretty much comprised my favorite folk.

The 2-year break sorta reset my opinions regarding this group and my preferences. During Covid, my wife and I sought out opportunities to play at our highest level with small groups in old-time and classical. Now when we were able to get back in the coffee shop, I'm able to make music at a pretty decent level w/ some of my best friends.

A couple of members sought and found a larger alternative indoors location. That is where the motley crew I described played. As I've said, my opportunities to play in smaller, higher level groups has spoiled me WRT such free-for-alls. Outside 2 years ago, it is still fun. I hung w/ a small group of my closest friends and we basically made music within ourselves - not worrying if someone on the other side is paying attention. And it is nice to be outside, people watching... Also, a group of us met inside for 1.5 hrs BEFORE the market to try out new tunes, etc.

My personal opinion is that the big group places too much of a premium on being open TO ALL - independent of ability, effort, or instrument. I've discussed it with others, but the most senior members are adamant that ALL are welcome. Now it can be a kick to have someone show up with a nontrad instrument, if they are able to play along. But there are others where IMO we shoulda just said, "Find another group." And it is GREAT to play with a kid just beginning - for a couple of tunes. Some of the kids went on to win state competitions, and a couple are currently recording pros. But being overly welcoming really shortchanges the folk who are interested in making decent music.

Sorry for writing a tome, but just wanted to flesh things out and respond to some of the comments.

Hammertime3 - don't even think twice about setting down rules in YOUR space. I'd think NO AMPS would be a basic one. Tho consider whether a decent banjo COULD add something to your current group. There CAN be very great overlap between countries and BG. IME, a lot of people consider themselves BG pickers, but they really are not "purists."

In any event, if the guy shows up and it doesn't work out, don't hesitate a second to just tell the guy, "It was nice to meet you, but I don't think we're a good match."
 
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Ed..thanks for your input, but this is primarily a country jam, hence the amps. We've hosted jams at our old place for years and allowed most anyone who could even try to participate come on in. Some were bad when they got there, and three or four years later were still bad. Seems like the least talented people pick the most complicated songs to try. I really don't believe they have enough musical knowledge to know the difference. I'm past the point in life now where I want the jams here to be a pleasure, not a pain. These players we have make GOOD music, but they also have been there with the bad players and never complained. Maybe I shouldn't either, but I'm pushing 84 and it's about time I had things going my way. I was never any good at teaching anyone anything, though I could do it myself easily...harmony singing in particular. I just like to make good music at my age...there ain't many jams left, I'm afraid.
 
Cool. Just curious - why does "country music" need to be amped? (One of my difficulties w/ Ken Burns' recent "Country Music" series was that it seemed to define the genre awfully broadly.)

But I agree that you ought to zealously ensure that the music being made IN YOUR HOME is the most pleasurable possible. Life is too short, and one's home is too precious.