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Trouble shooting the volume wars.

If you have some longer guitar cables, just swap places and stand in front of one another's amps. No need to re-arrange anything. Just be careful not to trip over cables. Also, turn up your mid's so you can hear yourself better.

Good luck with your metal band. (I am grossly assuming based on your guitarist's perceived behavior and my own similar personal experience that you're a metal band) :)
 
Unfortunately I sold him the cabinet, and a head, and he went and got a louder more low-mid frequency head. Lol honestly I think I've got this figured out. If i can just get him to stop being stubborn about rearranging the jamspace.. And if not.. I'll be like ok.. let's stay in the same places but put your amp behind me and my amp behind you.. He's got like 2 30ft guitar cables.. I've got one running from my amp to my pedalboard. so this is doable.


Those 4x12 cabs work pretty good for bass
 
I feel for you, bro. I had the same issue with my old guitar player. I succeeded in getting him to at least put the amp on a stand and point it at his head and away from me, but I was unable to get him and the rhythm guitarist to rearrange the room. Ultimately, I set up a practice space in my basement that was better suited to achieving lower volume. I have the ability to put the instruments in the board/monitors and monitor through headphones if need be. I also invested in a good pair of Westone earplugs.

If was in your shoes, I'd tell the other guys -- "Hey, I'm having a real issue with the volume wars, and it's getting to be no fun at all to come to practice. I'm asking that you trust me and let me *TRY* rearranging the gear so we can all hear better. I really think it'll make a big difference and allow us to get tighter as a band. If it doesn't work, then I'll be open to other suggestions -- but honestly, the current situation is not working for me."

As others have said, I'd rearrange the gear by placing everybody's cabs across the room from them. If the guitarist can't hear himself, then he may TURN DOWN your amp until he does. Something tells me he's the type who insists he must FEEL the noise to play his best, In which case, you're screwed.

Also, adding some acoustic treatments to your space may help: carpets on the floor, hang some heavy-duty moving blankets, or buy a bale of Roxul insulation at Lowes and make some panels. Anything to deaden the room and reduce the echo.
 
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get a decibel meter ... we all have our limits of how much abuse we want our ears to endure ..!! set limits for rehearsal ..!

can't hear yourself ..?? I call BS ... take a few steps back to where the sound/speakers actually start to work ...
 
Grab his ears and pull them down to his knees so he can hear himself better.
It's to do with his perspective on his volume from is space.
If the guitar cabinet is facing the back of his legs, he can't hear it.

One thing to try is, if he turns up, you turn down.

Record the session with the mic facing a bit more biased toward the guitar amp, then get him to listen to the playback and ask him to comment on the balance.
 
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I hear you on being killed by guitar amps pointed at the back of the guitarists knees.

Get his amp by his ears. It's the only way. Switching spots might work too. Honestly if I was with a guy who wouldn't turn down and my ear plugs weren't an option I'd be refusing to play. Ino gig is worth my hearing.
 
Two things come to mind, one of which has already been mentioned....another unplugged 4x12 cab to raise his up to ear level.

The other thing...how are you guys eq'd. If he has his bass knob turned up, you could be competing for the same sonic space.
 
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And before anyone says "guitar cabinets sound better on the floor".. sure.. maybe for the guitarist who is standing there with his speakers at waist level while everyone else is being overwhelmed by the sound of one guitar in particular

Not all guitarists think that.
20 + years ago i was working as a lighting roadie for a top level Australian touring act and the guitarist, who is very well known here as a top session and touring hired hand, played through two amps (I can't get my tone any other way he'd say) however he had both of them on stands around 24" high with a slight tilt up and about 6 feet behind him so he was right in the firing line of his sound. He was never too loud in the stage mix. He loved a LOUD guitar tone and when I asked him about his rig he said that this was the best scenario for him as, always being a hired hand, if he was to have to be told too often that he was too loud he'd be looking for another gig. While he might be considered one of the best in the country he knew that even the 50th best in the country could still do the job.....and possibly for less money.
 
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Put the amps on the opposite side of the room (you stand in front of his cab, and he in front of yours.) Then his guitar cab is blasting your legs and will be loud to him and quiet to you. Likewise, your bass will be quiet to him and loud to you. This will lead both parties to turn down.
This. Seriously. It works.
 
Not all guitarists think that.
20 + years ago i was working as a lighting roadie for a top level Australian touring act and the guitarist, who is very well known here as a top session and touring hired hand, played through two amps (I can't get my tone any other way he'd say) however he had both of them on stands around 24" high with a slight tilt up and about 6 feet behind him so he was right in the firing line of his sound. He was never too loud in the stage mix. He loved a LOUD guitar tone and when I asked him about his rig he said that this was the best scenario for him as, always being a hired hand, if he was to have to be told too often that he was too loud he'd be looking for another gig. While he might be considered one of the best in the country he knew that even the 50th best in the country could still do the job.....and possibly for less money.

This is exactly right.
Back in the dark ages, when I was a full time gigging guitarist in bars, I and every other guy in my position put our 4x12 cabs up on some kind of stand. Don't know why nobody seems to remember that.
The ideal lift would raise it somewhere between 12" - 20" off the floor. Any higher and you couldn't hear anything else, so simply putting up a full stack and using only the top didn't work on shallow stages.
I did set up a rig for a while where only the middle 4 of a full stack were connected - that worked well.
You might try a setup like this, though its minimum height is 24":
On-Stage Stands WS8540 Small Heavy-Duty T-Stand | Musician's Friend
 
Place all your amps along the opposite wall, PA style, or place the PA behind the dummer (along with all the amps in the usual spot), and then everyone stand on the opposite end of the room, facing the drummer & amps, basically in audience position. Now the sound from everyone's amps has room to blossom into the room & you'll hear it blended in a way similar to the audience.

This setup has the added benefit of everyone looking at each other and making eye contact, rather than hiding away in their corner of the room.

Someone mentioned get an SPL meter - that's not a bad idea. It's a good way to "tune up your ears" so you can quickly dial in an appropriate volume on stage- find the level the drums are at. Everyone should be within a few decibels of that. Remember every 3 decibels is a doubling in volume. If someone is 10 decibels louder than the drums, they're more than 3x louder than the drums, and there is simply no need for that.

There's a dozen other tweaks that a producer might make - changing each band member's EQ settings - which is usually at the root of loudness wars. Guitars stepping into bass territory, bass stepping into vocal territory, etc. If you can stop playing & nobody notices, then the guitars need to turn down the bass & low mid section, end of story.
 
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