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"Truthers" and 9/11

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#81
blendermassacre said:
Distinct psychiatric illness is a bit far fetched, IMO. Being sucked in the same way religious people are, for example, comes from the same sort of feeling, IMO.
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Conspiracism is a cultlike experience, for certain, and lots of impressionable people are dragged in somewhat innocently and unwittingly, and eventually get over it when they are exposed to more rational views.

That's not what I'm talking about so much as people who are compulsive conspiracists, and I know them. Their behavior and outlook and suspension of disbelief toward virtually any conspiracy theory, however ridiculous, is obviously attributable to some pathology. It's an extraordinarily creepy thing to observe.
 
#82
Bongolation said:
Conspiracism is a cultlike experience, for certain, and lots of impressionable people are dragged in somewhat innocently and unwittingly, and eventually get over it when they are exposed to more rational views.

That's not what I'm talking about so much as people who are compulsive conspiracists, and I know them. Their behavior and outlook and suspension of disbelief toward virtually any conspiracy theory, however ridiculous, is obviously attributable to some pathology. It's an extraordinarily creepy thing to observe.
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are you speaking more about the creators of the conspiracies as apposed to followers, more or less.
 
#85
Deluge Of Sound said:
plot=conspiracy.

The conspiracy in this case has to do with information that may be being suppressed (I think? 9/11 conspiracies aren't really my bag)
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Oh please. Come on....seriously? People need to get a life. I don't know much of anything outside sports, but this one is easy to figure out.

Note...my comment is not directed at you DoS. Just a general comment to those who think some kind of conspiracy or plot made 9/11 happen.

-Mike
 
#86
No personal offense taken. There clearly was a plot, however. My best guess (and that of most people) was that a group of terrorists hijacked three planes and flew them into/toward their intended targets.

I think the only semi-legitimate line of thinking starts with the "why would the govt. allow this to happen?" question, as it is well known that the information about a gravely serious Al-Qaeda attack was in the hands of the CIA for weeks, if not months, before the attack. The structural integrity stuff I find to be completely bogus.

But that, of course, leads us to the political no-no land.
 
#87
Munjibunga said:
One of the leading voices in the "truthers" movement is Dr. David Ray Griffin. His PhD is in philosophical theology. Makes sense.
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Ahh, a PhD in making **** up/professional bull****er. Certainly does fit the bill!



Munjibunga said:
Jeez. I'm watching a special right now on the mechanism of the WTC structures' collapse after the 9/11 attacks. These people are beyond stupid. They are simply psychotic. Discuss.
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Like the people who think the end is coming because we cobbled some genes together and made a cell :hiding:


(I jest, I jest)
 
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Deluge Of Sound said:
No personal offense taken. There clearly was a plot, however. My best guess (and that of most people) was that a group of terrorists hijacked three planes and flew them into/toward their intended targets.

I think the only semi-legitimate line of thinking starts with the "why would the govt. allow this to happen?" question, as it is well known that the information about a gravely serious Al-Qaeda attack was in the hands of the CIA for weeks, if not months, before the attack. The structural integrity stuff I find to be completely bogus.

But that, of course, leads us to the political no-no land.
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That's what they want you to think.

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Also, even having the intel about an impending attack doesn't mean they know the specifics, just as the UK was attacked so often by the IRA
 
#89
Munjibunga said:
One of the leading voices in the "truthers" movement is Dr. David Ray Griffin. His PhD is in philosophical theology. Makes sense.
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I read his book - The New Pearl Harbour - hoping to find a credible case for the "inside job brigade".

I found the book was full of speculation and inference.

The "truthers" pursue their beliefs with a fundamentalist enthusiasm. I reckon a lot of the literature is just preaching to the converted.
 
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Bongolation said:
Conspiracism is a cultlike experience, for certain, and lots of impressionable people are dragged in somewhat innocently and unwittingly, and eventually get over it when they are exposed to more rational views.

That's not what I'm talking about so much as people who are compulsive conspiracists, and I know them. Their behavior and outlook and suspension of disbelief toward virtually any conspiracy theory, however ridiculous, is obviously attributable to some pathology. It's an extraordinarily creepy thing to observe.
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Calling someone that subscribes to these 9/11 theories "impressionable" is a HUGE understatement :eyebrow:
 
#91
I had a great drunken discussion with my nephew about some 9-11 conspiracy crap. He thought it was awful fishy that the towers went straight down instead of toppling over. Luckily, we were drinking beer, so I devised a little experiment: I had him stand on top of an empty beer can. As long as it holds it's shape, it's structurally sound. Then I took a small rock and tossed it into the side of the can. The can pancaked with the top of the can right over the bottom.

Then we proceeded to drink more beers.
 
#93
Against Will said:
"Truthers", "Birthers", there's so much misinformation out there, we'll NEVER find the treasure hidden by the Founding Fathers!
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Unfortunately, the map was watermarked onto Obama's birth certificate...filed conveniently at the WTC for reasons only they know. The only other known copy surfaced in Buras, LA in late summer of 2005. Fearing Federal involvement and seizure of papers would arouse suspicion, GWB fired up the Hurricane Machine, punched in the coordinates and chose the name "Katrina". Nicholas Cage was close to the uncovering this whole thing the last time he was here, but filmed the Bad Lieutenant, instead.

Mike
 
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I've had more conversations than I ever wanted to with people who believed in 9/11 conspiracies ranging from accusing the government of knowing about the plot and allowing it to happen because it fit their agenda all the way to the notion that it was a complete inside job perpetrated BY our government.

And the question no conspiracy theorist has ever been able to answer for me is this: "Why?"

What possible reason would there be?

The answers I normally get are "it was for oil", or "it was so they could get rich on Haliburton contracts" or "to create an excuse to invade Iraq" all of which are so ridiculous that it's hard to even entertain the notion.

I'm as open minded and skeptical as anyone I know but even if I was to be swayed by the engineering arguments that conspiracy theorists have put forward (they haven't come remotely close so far) the big question is one of motive. In EVERY single instance it has been the absolute weakest part of any of these people's arguments.
 
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Phalex said:
I had a great drunken discussion with my nephew about some 9-11 conspiracy crap. He thought it was awful fishy that the towers went straight down instead of toppling over. Luckily, we were drinking beer, so I devised a little experiment: I had him stand on top of an empty beer can. As long as it holds it's shape, it's structurally sound. Then I took a small rock and tossed it into the side of the can. The can pancaked with the top of the can right over the bottom.

Then we proceeded to drink more beers.
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Fascinating. :D
 
#98
blendermassacre said:
Distinct psychiatric illness is a bit far fetched, IMO. Being sucked in the same way religious people are, for example, comes from the same sort of feeling, IMO. Gov't black ops helicopters are so far fetched, but 2000 years ago, a baby was born a virgin birth to show you the way to heaven? Both seem a bit crazy to me, but one is accepted as truth, and the other is nonsense. At least black helicopters exist, whether or not their up to no good.

Having both been at one time obsessed with "conspiracies" and having family that is obsessed with religion, both run pretty similar paths.
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Maybe both are the result of the same psychiatric illness.
 
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Jared Lash said:
The answers I normally get are "it was for oil", or "it was so they could get rich on Haliburton contracts" or "to create an excuse to invade Iraq" all of which are so ridiculous that it's hard to even entertain the notion.
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You're hanging out with the wrong people. The answers I get usually revolve around alien technology given to the Sumerians and kept in the basement of a Baghdad museum.

Mike
 
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