Turbosound IP2000 Review

[Wasnex]

Unfortunately the distortion seems to be a fairly common IP2000 complaint in various forums across the internet. I found another long thread where users reported distortion starting after about 10 minutes of use playing piano. This makes me think the problem could be heat related...could even be related to the drivers overheating when pushed above a certain power level for an extended time.

If the distortion is happening in the IP2000's internal signal path, the only thing you can really do is try keep the signal level relatively low till late in the signal path. I assume you have already tried maxing out the Volume and Sub levels and sending a relatively low signal from the mixer?

 

[Anton Trevor]

Unfortunately the distortion seems to be a fairly common IP2000 complaint in various forums across the internet. I found another long thread where users reported distortion starting after about 10 minutes of use playing piano. This makes me think the problem could be heat related...could even be related to the drivers overheating when pushed above a certain power level for an extended time.

If the distortion is happening in the IP2000's internal signal path, the only thing you can really do is try keep the signal level relatively low till late in the signal path. I assume you have already tried maxing out the Volume and Sub levels and sending a relatively low signal from the mixer?

Would you sent me the link of the other thread?

If the distortion is happening in the IP2000's internal signal path, the only thing you can really do is try keep the signal level relatively low till late in the signal path. I assume you have already tried maxing out the Volume and Sub levels and sending a relatively low signal from the mixer?

Yes, that's the best setup (until now)
If not much volume is needed, I turn down the Master fader from the XR-18

The IP2000 goes from -80 to +10 in the volume jog wheel. If you go reach the +10 (Even if nothing is plugged in the inputs) you can hear the Preamp's hiss (if you set the input level to the maximum too).
It is perfectly normal, nobody at their right mind would use that setup. Furthermore, even though the hiss is audible, it's quite low.

I don't know if this is useful to anyone, but this is the most "reliable" configuration that I could find:

Input A) = 0
Jog Wheel= +6
Sub: +2
Eq: Universal or Band
Speaker position: Position of the speaker: selected according to the room ... Floor's position is the most used.
EQ: A cut of 2 or 3 points in the middle.
Link: lately I haven't linked the units... As I don't want to use the bluetooth streaming, it's
even a disadvantage to have the Speakers linked (get lost the independent volume in order to have an L/R panning control).

From my mixer (Behringer XR18) I'm going to a DBX GoRack. It's the simplier way that I found to have a physical control to mute everything in case that the Android Tablet crushes. Sometimes I also use the Feedback rejection (With the Turbos... is not the most useful feature).
I want to mentiont that all the test that I've runned were with and without the DBX.

 

[Wasnex]

Would you sent me the link of the other thread?


Yes, that's the best setup (until now)
If not much volume is needed, I turn down the Master fader from the XR-18

The IP2000 goes from -80 to +10 in the volume jog wheel. If you go reach the +10 (Even if nothing is plugged in the inputs) you can hear the Preamp's hiss (if you set the input level to the maximum too).
It is perfectly normal, nobody at their right mind would use that setup. Furthermore, even though the hiss is audible, it's quite low.

I don't know if this is useful to anyone, but this is the most "reliable" configuration that I could find:

Input A) = 0
Jog Wheel= +6
Sub: +2
Eq: Universal or Band
Speaker position: Position of the speaker: selected according to the room ... Floor's position is the most used.
EQ: A cut of 2 or 3 points in the middle.
Link: lately I haven't linked the units... As I don't want to use the bluetooth streaming, it's
even a disadvantage to have the Speakers linked (get lost the independent volume in order to have an L/R panning control).

From my mixer (Behringer XR18) I'm going to a DBX GoRack. It's the simplier way that I found to have a physical control to mute everything in case that the Android Tablet crushes. Sometimes I also use the Feedback rejection (With the Turbos... is not the most useful feature).
I want to mentiont that all the test that I've runned were with and without the DBX.

I just Googled "IP2000 distortion" and read through some of the results. I think this is the specific thread I was referring to as it mentions piano and the distortion starting after 5-10 minutes of use:
Turbosound IP2000 getting 'crackling' sound with keyboards

Various threads I have reviewed mention running output levels high and waiting for an appropriate firmware update. Unfortunately I have found no solutions.

I did see one thread that specifically mentioned distortion when using the IP2000's internal stereo panning. Perhaps try leaving the panning centered and plugging a Y adapter into each unit so you are feeding both inputs on each unit. In other words, feed the L output of your mixer to both inputs of one IP2000 and feed the R input of your mixer to both inputs of the other IP2000. You will get a bit of gain at the end of the signal chain where the two channels sum, so you can reduce the input gain further for more headroom. Use your mixer to pan your signal between the two IP2000s. I think this is my last crazy idea.

 

[musicman7722]

Can you be more specific as to what you mean by "jog wheel"

TY

<snip>The IP2000 goes from -80 to +10 in the volume jog wheel. If you go reach the +10 (Even if nothing is plugged in the inputs) you can hear the Preamp's hiss (if you set the input level to the maximum too).
It is perfectly normal, nobody at their right mind would use that setup. Furthermore, even though the hiss is audible, it's quite low.

I don't know if this is useful to anyone, but this is the most "reliable" configuration that I could find:

Input A) = 0
Jog Wheel= +6
Sub: +2
QUOTE]

 

[musicman7722]

Turbosond IP300

I have one of these coming for a weekend gig. I like the idea of being able to put this on a stand and use it for side fill or monitors in the back or side of the band.

I have a tricky band that I mix. 11 pieces with a 5 piece horn group. I want to try putting this behind the band and shoot it forward. The idea is the horns will hear their mix and I might be able to use it to reach the drummer, guitar and bass who stand in the backline as well. I will report back.

Turbosound iNSPIRE iP300

 

[Wasnex]

Pretty sure from context he meant "volume" if we're using the naming convention from the DSP menu structure. If I understand correctly, "volume" translates to the control labeled "output" on the remote control app.

 

[Anton Trevor]

I wanted to mention this volume Knob.



I've been practicing my English these last months... I see that it will require more effort

Turbosond IP300

I have one of these coming for a weekend gig. I like the idea of being able to put this on a stand and use it for side fill or monitors in the back or side of the band.

I have a tricky band that I mix. 11 pieces with a 5 piece horn group. I want to try putting this behind the band and shoot it forward. The idea is the horns will hear their mix and I might be able to use it to reach the drummer, guitar and bass who stand in the backline as well. I will report back.

Turbosound iNSPIRE iP300

Turbosound again? Have you tried the Ip300?

 

[Wasnex]

Turbosond IP300

I have one of these coming for a weekend gig. I like the idea of being able to put this on a stand and use it for side fill or monitors in the back or side of the band.

I have a tricky band that I mix. 11 pieces with a 5 piece horn group. I want to try putting this behind the band and shoot it forward. The idea is the horns will hear their mix and I might be able to use it to reach the drummer, guitar and bass who stand in the backline as well. I will report back.

Turbosound iNSPIRE iP300

I remember being pretty surprised by how much gain before feedback was possible running a Bose L1 behind an open mic in a room with a low ceiling. I would still be very reluctant to use this positioning to mic a horn section, but it might work.

I actually had good luck running a daisy chain of Galaxy HotSpots on mic stands between the players. The HotSpots were cheap, fairly close to their ears, and had volume controls so each the players had a bit of control. What I found is the horn players just needed a bit of presence, so they didn't feel like they had to blow their heads off. I think having the speakers close really helps, as you loose the sense of intimacy when there is any significant delay in the sound coming back at you through the monitors.

For optimum results, consider how to best use positioning of the IP300 to get the best compromise of delay, dispersion/coverage, and consistent volume across the horn section.

 

[Wasnex]

I wanted to mention this volume Knob.

View attachment 3207591

I've been practicing my English the las months... I see that it will require more effort



Turbosound again? Have you tried the Ip300?

IMHO, You write English quite well my friend .

 

[musicman7722]

IMHO, You write English quite well my friend .

I agree you English is probably better than most here who speak it as a native language. Myself included. My confusion ragarding these speakers is in how to relate to the fact that they are designed to be a mixer. I am used to powered speakers that have one volume control. On the Tirbo's I am wary of messing up the gain structure. Meaning do I leave the overall gain at 0 and crank up the A or B gain, or do I do it the other way around.

 

[musicman7722]

I remember being pretty surprised by how much gain before feedback was possible running a Bose L1 behind an open mic in a room with a low ceiling. I would still be very reluctant to use this positioning to mic a horn section, but it might work.

I actually had good luck running a daisy chain of Galaxy HotSpots on mic stands between the players. The HotSpots were cheap, fairly close to their ears, and had volume controls so each the players had a bit of control. What I found is the horn players just needed a bit of presence, so they didn't feel like they had to blow their heads off. I think having the speakers close really helps, as you loose the sense of intimacy when there is any significant delay in the sound coming back at you through the monitors.

For optimum results, consider how to best use positioning of the IP300 to get the best compromise of delay, dispersion/coverage, and consistent volume across the horn section.

I really planned on using this for the three guys in back to hear. Right now they share one wedge and the drummer gets it first as he sings a tad bit. I thought getting this up in the air might help all 3. Then I got to thinking one off to the side of the horn line might solver their issues too.

 

[Wasnex]

I really planned on using this for the three guys in back to hear. Right now they share one wedge and the drummer gets it first as he sings a tad bit. I thought getting this up in the air might help all 3. Then I got to thinking one off to the side of the horn line might solver their issues too.

Surely the drummer and horn players have drastically different monitoring needs, so just about anything you do should be an improvement .

 

[musicman7722]

I did my small club gig this weekend with my band. I used one IP2000 along with an EV 12" powered sub for the aux sub out (kick, bass and keys only). On the other side of the stage I used my new Turbosound IP300. It was a winning combination in a crowded room. This video is short and of 4 songs. I like the sound though maybe a bit reverb heavy. If you use some decent headphones or buds the clarity of this system combined with an aux out to the EV subs are amazing. There is only one small 10" guitar amp onstage. No other amps or monitors. We all use IEM except the gtr player.

 

[fenwickbacker]

I'm in a small folk quartet - fiddle, percussion (cajon/bodhran), mandolin/bouzouki, acoustic guitar/bass. Two of us trade off on vocals. Most our gigs will be small events/venues.

I'm a sound engineering noob. Thoughts on one iP2000 along with Soundcraft Ui16 (or maybe 12) handling our needs?

As with everybody - cost, portability are key factors in addition to sound quality.

 

[musicman7722]

Should be fine. Can't comment on the mixer but all the reviews of it are great.

 

[musicman7722]

Well I have done 3 or 4 more gigs since this one above both 4 and 5 piece and I am ok with the system. sounds great and plenty of compliments.

Over and Out

 

[Holeshot1982]

Back to revive the thread

Really thought I made a good choice with this system, why I didn't see this thread before buying is beyond me. My goal was to use the IP2000 just for vocals, we're a 5 piece classic rock band (not as loud as you would think though). Previously was using a powered behringer (500w total) head and a used but good EV 12' on a stand (only used one side of the head so 250w). All of this just for practice, no gigs.

I have no rattling issues inside but I am getting the speaker crackle (seems to be on the top column could be wrong though).... First night using it was just straight into the sub with 1 mic. I honestly didn't know anything about setting it up so the levels were probably wrong so I figured that was the reason for the random out of nowhere crackle/distort....

Bought a Behringer 6 channel mixer (4 XLR) and running into channel A on the IP2000 using a 1/4 instrument cable (mixer only supports 1/4in so I figure that would be better than 1/4 to XLR connections?).... On the mixer keeping the faders at "0" and the gain is about 10 o'clock, EQ's flat. Not once did the mixer clip last night... IP2000 - "Music" DSP, all EQ's on "0", channel volume ended up going to about "-5", Sub at like "2", and Main volume was about "6" or "7".

Random crackle/distort sound. I thought maybe it was when the singer had to put more power to his voice and he wasn't backing off the mic, so I asked him to be mindful of that. Not sure if he was or wasn't but he never clipped his channel or the mains on the mixer. We would also play the same song and it would do it at sometimes but then it wouldn't do it the next time. I record practices with a digital recorder and you CAN NOT hear the crackle through the recordings. Other players also didn't really hear it but I positioned myself near so I could listen out.

I picked the system up Black Friday week new from a music store on eBay (shipped directly from Tubrosound). It's got to be the V1 because there is no reverb built in..... The hopes was to use this as a practice PA mainly in my 300 sqft room so it should more than handle the volume. It was supposed to be used as well for small gigs. On the one hand, I paid 600 dollars so I got an amazing deal thanks to Black Friday and a eBay coupon code. On the other hand I paid 600 dollars and it can't handle what it should be..... Any thoughts?

 

[jimfist]

I picked the system up Black Friday week new from a music store on eBay (shipped directly from Tubrosound). It's got to be the V1 because there is no reverb built in..... The hopes was to use this as a practice PA mainly in my 300 sqft room so it should more than handle the volume. It was supposed to be used as well for small gigs. On the one hand, I paid 600 dollars so I got an amazing deal thanks to Black Friday and a eBay coupon code. On the other hand I paid 600 dollars and it can't handle what it should be..... Any thoughts?

Sorry to hear this. My thoughts? What does the vendor have for a return policy or otherwise to help rectify the problem? You have to be dead positive that it is the IP2000 - not saying it isn't, but you want to absolutely eliminate user error as a problem before engaging the vendor and/or Turbosound.

Is the eBay vendor a confirmed legit enterprise? With so many well-known online vendors (Sweetwater, Musicians Friend, et al), who have solid warranty/return policies, I'm wondering why you used an eBay vendor...this would make me skeptical from the start.

You also have to understand that sometimes a perfectly good item is treated poorly in shipment (unheard of these days!!!), so there's that aspect. You may also have gotten a previously used, returned item, repackaged. All of this only matters because you're having troubles with your speaker.

 

[Holeshot1982]

Sorry to hear this. My thoughts? What does the vendor have for a return policy or otherwise to help rectify the problem? You have to be dead positive that it is the IP2000 - not saying it isn't, but you want to absolutely eliminate user error as a problem before engaging the vendor and/or Turbosound.

Is the eBay vendor a confirmed legit enterprise? With so many well-known online vendors (Sweetwater, Musicians Friend, et al), who have solid warranty/return policies, I'm wondering why you used an eBay vendor...this would make me skeptical from the start.

You also have to understand that sometimes a perfectly good item is treated poorly in shipment (unheard of these days!!!), so there's that aspect. You may also have gotten a previously used, returned item, repackaged. All of this only matters because you're having troubles with your speaker.

Yes they are a legit store with a store front, it was one of the reasons I chose to buy from them instead of other sellers on eBay... Why did I chose ebay vs other retailers? Because they had them new for 749.99 and eBay had a special coupon that week so I got another 100.00. No other retailer had the Black Friday special (one did finally offer it the following week). I also didn't have to pay tax or shipping.... Yes they did have a return policy of 30 days, which is standard. It has passed so there's no reason I would even reach out to them. Unfortunately I was unable to test the system to capacity during that time due to the holidays and moving into a new home..... It's also unfortunate that I didn't learn of this 10 page thread before I bought the system.

The system shipped directly from Tubrosound and arrived in prefect condition. There was no indication that it was a return or that it was damaged in shipping.

 

[jimfist]

The system shipped directly from Tubrosound and arrived in prefect condition. There was no indication that it was a return or that it was damaged in shipping.

Have you gone to The Music Group (now it's called the Music Tribe?), Turbosound forum, to try your luck there?

Link Removed

If nobody can help there, then try your luck directly with Turbosound, or see if the vendor is willing to play ball with you beyond the 30 return period. It's worth a try, and all they can say is "no". From there, it all depends on how much of a stink you care to make of this with the vendor or Turbosound's customer service, and I'd be shocked if they both told you to pound sand.

Were there any other stipulations attached to the Black Friday sale discount, such as "absolutely no returns after 30 days"? It's too bad that you weren't able to try the system out when you got it...but...really, that part of it is your responsibility if you want to guarantee that your a$$ is covered within the 30 days - especially in a "no try before buy" scenario. Still, good business practice should dictate, and to your satisfaction.

Turbosound has always been a good company, even with their recently being acquired by Behringer. If you got a lemon, someone should be able to help you out. The iP2000 is a pretty popular piece of gear and seems to get high marks, generally, amongst most owners (from what I can gather - considering picking up one or two myself).

Good luck!