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Turbosound IP2000 Review

So my iP2000 is off for repair and last night I had to revert back to my old rehearsal system of a PHM2000 powered head and running a single EV 12' speaker on a stand..... Now that PHM2000 is a total of 500w (250w per side) and the speaker is capable of 300w. I was only running one side of it with master volume up about half way and each channel volume (there is no "gain") about 9 O'Clock..... The volume and sound blew the iP2000 away!!

I only bought the iP2000 for rehearsal. The band is a blues rock band, so no Marshall stacks, 4x10 cabs etc... The room is above my garage and is about 300sq ft. Acoustic drums, 2 guitars, bass, and 3 vocals. Really seems like the iP2000 would be more than capable of handing it. I got the iP2000 because I wanted a stick PA that was easy to move/breakdown (I hate dealing with stands), didn't take up much space, bluetooth, and it would be nice to practice with it so I could get my amp up to playing volume.

I last used the iP2000 on Monday night and had the gain turned down on all the channels of my outboard mixer, didn't need it. I kept the volume faders as close to unity gain as I could. Kept creeping the channel A input volume down on the iP2000. Still got that crackle/clipping on occasion. Yet got zero last night!

Really hoping they find an issue with my unit, otherwise I'll cut my losses. Quality is more important than convenience, was really hoping the IP2000 would be both.

One of the IP2000's most attractive features is it's dispersion characteristics. You should be able to cover the width and depth of a room with less SPL variation. Normal speakers follow the inverse square rule where SPL drops of 6dB with each doubling of distance. Over the range where the IP2000 functions as a line source, the SPL will drop off at 3dB per doubling of distance. Since the sound does not behave as a line source at the high and low range with the IP2000 the voicing will shift with distance. This was fairly noticeable outdoors with the Bose L1s I used for awhile.

IMHO one place where the IP2000 falls fairly short is it's continuous SPL capabilities. Max SPL is listed as 123dB...I believe this is a peak rating which is most likely 6dB above continuous. The available literature does not provide a clear explanation, but "Max" SPL is interpretted as "Peak" SPL.

Compare to these horn plus 8" boxes: EV ZXA1 lists Max SPL at 126dB, QSC K8.2 lists Max SPL at 128dB...these are clearly identified as peak ratings in the manufacturers documents. EV specifies whole-space loading; QSC and TurboSound do not specify half- or whole-space, so it's possible the EV is actually the loudest of the three....remember to subtract 6dB for the continuous rating though.

IMHO this recent trend of using peak/max SPL with some products is misleading and unethical. Most manufactures use some sort of a continuous power rating with a 6dB crest factor. They seem to be using peak/Max SPL ratings only with their lower end products to disguise reduced performance...continuous and peak really the same rating but you have to be an informed consumer to understand the 120dB continuous is the same as 126dB peak. To further the deception...often the SPL ratings are calculated off the power handling specs rather than measured. This is inaccurate because drivers compress as they approach their power handling limits.
 
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OK, my control module showed back up Saturday, just as I had sent it out, same box and packing... No notes or repair receipts inside..... I got it all back installed and confirmed it would power on. Couldn't run a test until last night during rehearsal.... Sunday I email customer service and asked about what repairs were made..... According to the reply I got there no problem found so they just boxed it back up and returned it. So of course I had all the same problems as before, actually seemed worse but that could have been in my head....

In the email Customer Service sent me, he told me if it's still doing it after I tried it out to contact him again and he would issue another RMA to replace the unit.... I'm not really sure what will happen from here but I'm guessing I will be boxing it all back up and sending it somewhere again..... FWIW it really sounds like it's just that top section, specifically the top speaker. It seem like any vocal drive that goes into it just distorts that one speaker. I kept a close watch on bothe external mixer and the internal mixer via the display and neither one of them spiked....
 
OK, my control module showed back up Saturday, just as I had sent it out, same box and packing... No notes or repair receipts inside..... I got it all back installed and confirmed it would power on. Couldn't run a test until last night during rehearsal.... Sunday I email customer service and asked about what repairs were made..... According to the reply I got there no problem found so they just boxed it back up and returned it. So of course I had all the same problems as before, actually seemed worse but that could have been in my head....

In the email Customer Service sent me, he told me if it's still doing it after I tried it out to contact him again and he would issue another RMA to replace the unit.... I'm not really sure what will happen from here but I'm guessing I will be boxing it all back up and sending it somewhere again..... FWIW it really sounds like it's just that top section, specifically the top speaker. It seem like any vocal drive that goes into it just distorts that one speaker. I kept a close watch on bothe external mixer and the internal mixer via the display and neither one of them spiked....

The very top of the array has a horn tweeter. The horn is used because the cone drivers get too beamy at higher frequencies. It's possible the diaphram is ganked a bit.

Another possibility is your hearing a bit of phasing between the horn and the line array. If this is the case, you wouldn't hear the problem if your ears are in a location where the sound from the horn and the line array section reaches your ears in perfect phase alignment. The problem should be localized to a narrow band of frequencies around the crossover. See this post Turbosound IP2000 Review
 
The very top of the array has a horn tweeter. The horn is used because the cone drivers get too beamy at higher frequencies. It's possible the diaphram is ganked a bit.

Another possibility is your hearing a bit of phasing between the horn and the line array. If this is the case, you wouldn't hear the problem if your ears are in a location where the sound from the horn and the line array section reaches your ears in perfect phase alignment. The problem should be localized to a narrow band of frequencies around the crossover. See this post Turbosound IP2000 Review

Definitely wouldn't rule out any of the suggestions you mentioned. A this point I wouldnt rule anything out, just glad I still have my other system
 
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So just an update, Tubrosound responded right away and said he was sending me a new unit and that once it arrives to send him the old one back. He specifically said I was getting a brand new (instead of a B Stock) one because their warehouse is currently being moved and they don't have a B Stock in stock.

I must applaud them on going to this level instead of brushing me off which most companies try to do today. However it could also be they realize there is an issue with some of the units. I'll update once I get the new unit and see what happens, probably a couple of weeks though, we don't rehearse this week.
 
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Well, here is my input on things for the IP2000.

Im not on here very much, but have really appreciated the info you all have shared about this unit. I will do my best to be as thorough as possible.

Running 2 or 3 ip2000 units, combined with a A&H mixwizzard 16:4. and senhiesser e835 mics

regardless of 2 or 3 units, the high end on each unit, including the first i received and then again on the subsequent replacement sweetwater/turbosound sent units will crackle on the vocals throughout a gig intermittently no matter how I adjust the gain, volume, eq, or any other aspect during live performance. I have adjusted both the gain/volume on the ip2000 itself, as well as the mixwizzard to no satisfaction- the clipping is consistent regardless.

It seems to happen most often as a result of a stronger vocal note, but cannot be controlled regardless of compression, a change in mics (shure sm's wireless and wired, seinhesser wireless) a reduction in overall volume short of dropping the gain to inadequate performance levels. I have watched the gain meter, and looked for redlining, and regardless of red line it will rarely do it, but comes as a result of a sudden red line on a normal vocal not (wedding band vocalists; male and female, never screaming or improper mic placement). NOTHING i have done, and short of buying a new digital mixer, I have tried everything reasonably possible (different analog mixers, better quality cables as connections, pop guards, compression units, hiring sound men, real-time adjustments and at home adjustments.

I bought them for the same reason everyone seems to buy: great reviews, quality sound when working properly, and portability/ease of set up. Lightweight and compact, they were a real solution to saving time and an improvement from my reliable JBL 515xt's plus 618 subs. BUT the fact is they not only don't throw sound as well as just the 515xt's without subs (speakers are just TOO small guys, we don't have to apologize here) but they simply do not handle what amounts to be a very very moderate volume professional outfit I aspire to run. We get hired BECAUSE we can play quiet; despite this the units just crackle whenever they want on a powerful note vocally. Occasionally I get it on keys too, but I fixed that with the gain on the mixer-board 99% of the time.

It was worth the risk IMO. If it had panned out, It would have saved me a ton of money on a sub/top set up, as well as room in the truck, set up time and all which equate to $$$ saved/earned on my end as a bandleader. However, aside from solo acoustic jobs (of which my ip500 had a total failure mid gig on long island and the motherboard is shot for no apparent reason on its 11th solo acoustic guitar gig) i couldn't recommend the ip2000 for anything requiring a traditional PA's strength (100-300 person wedding, sound dispersion of 100 ft average) despite its power ratings and reviews. I am dissapointed overall, and will have to upgrade to the qsc combo of a k12.2 and the ks112 sub to go with it.

I know at least one of you has had some great results running these things through the gauntlet, but I have babied these units, and really havent had success with them. 1-2 weddings a week from august 2018 through december 2018 as a test period with a TRIO of guitar bass and drums... they should have performed better IMO.

So if anyone wants a paid of these with covers in excellent condition, I would give them a great price. PM me if thats so, and you think they will work for you.
 
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Well, here is my input on things for the IP2000.

Im not on here very much, but have really appreciated the info you all have shared about this unit. I will do my best to be as thorough as possible.

Running 2 or 3 ip2000 units, combined with a A&H mixwizzard 16:4. and senhiesser e835 mics

regardless of 2 or 3 units, the high end on each unit, including the first i received and then again on the subsequent replacement sweetwater/turbosound sent units will crackle on the vocals throughout a gig intermittently no matter how I adjust the gain, volume, eq, or any other aspect during live performance. I have adjusted both the gain/volume on the ip2000 itself, as well as the mixwizzard to no satisfaction- the clipping is consistent regardless.

It seems to happen most often as a result of a stronger vocal note, but cannot be controlled regardless of compression, a change in mics (shure sm's wireless and wired, seinhesser wireless) a reduction in overall volume short of dropping the gain to inadequate performance levels. I have watched the gain meter, and looked for redlining, and regardless of red line it will rarely do it, but comes as a result of a sudden red line on a normal vocal not (wedding band vocalists; male and female, never screaming or improper mic placement). NOTHING i have done, and short of buying a new digital mixer, I have tried everything reasonably possible (different analog mixers, better quality cables as connections, pop guards, compression units, hiring sound men, real-time adjustments and at home adjustments.

I bought them for the same reason everyone seems to buy: great reviews, quality sound when working properly, and portability/ease of set up. Lightweight and compact, they were a real solution to saving time and an improvement from my reliable JBL 515xt's plus 618 subs. BUT the fact is they not only don't throw sound as well as just the 515xt's without subs (speakers are just TOO small guys, we don't have to apologize here) but they simply do not handle what amounts to be a very very moderate volume professional outfit I aspire to run. We get hired BECAUSE we can play quiet; despite this the units just crackle whenever they want on a powerful note vocally. Occasionally I get it on keys too, but I fixed that with the gain on the mixer-board 99% of the time.

It was worth the risk IMO. If it had panned out, It would have saved me a ton of money on a sub/top set up, as well as room in the truck, set up time and all which equate to $$$ saved/earned on my end as a bandleader. However, aside from solo acoustic jobs (of which my ip500 had a total failure mid gig on long island and the motherboard is shot for no apparent reason on its 11th solo acoustic guitar gig) i couldn't recommend the ip2000 for anything requiring a traditional PA's strength (100-300 person wedding, sound dispersion of 100 ft average) despite its power ratings and reviews. I am dissapointed overall, and will have to upgrade to the qsc combo of a k12.2 and the ks112 sub to go with it.

I know at least one of you has had some great results running these things through the gauntlet, but I have babied these units, and really havent had success with them. 1-2 weddings a week from august 2018 through december 2018 as a test period with a TRIO of guitar bass and drums... they should have performed better IMO.

So if anyone wants a paid of these with covers in excellent condition, I would give them a great price. PM me if thats so, and you think they will work for you.

Yep that definitely sums up my issues and we are only in a 300sq ft room... My plan is to get this new unit from the Tubrosound then cut my losses. I to have the padded covers. I'll list it for a month and if it doesn't sell off to Guitar Center trade in it goes. Shopping for new speakers now. Unfortunately I need ones that won't break the bank but won't be trading one problem for another. Such as life in the music business
 
I've always liked Turbosound for sound reinforcement gear. Unfortunately, any company that is producing products on a large scale is going to have a percentage of quality control issues due to outsourcing, which keeps costs low. This the world we live in today. Turbosound - and many other well-known reputable companies - have had to either play ball or go under as a result. It's a bitter pill to swallow, I'm sure, but the alternative is to be faced with the prospect of paying 2-3x the cost for the same product, fabricated in 1st world countries, higher QC for labor, materials and electronics. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You either go full-on small outfit boutique and pay the price, or roll the dice with mass produced products that are less expensive (and fine when they work) but with inherent slack of QC.
 
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So just a small update. Haven't used the system at rehearsal yet, that's coming next week.......

Received it Wednesday without notice (I had asked for tracking info due to the weather and to make sure someone was home since they are large packages). No rain that day so all was good.... They sent me a brand new iP2000 v2! I thought that was pretty nice of them. Upon opening the tower speakers I heard a rattle inside the bottom column. Thankfully I remembered what some of you have been through and I opened up the top and little piece of screw fell out. So I guess that design flaw hasn't been corrected.

Inside the Sub box I could hear rattle when opening/moving the box around. Turns out one of those little packs busted open (not sure they are called) and those little beads got EVERYWHERE! I had to take apart the sub to clean all the cracks and crevices where they were stuck. Not Inspires fault, I just thought it was kinda funny/ironic.

I got it hooked up and paired my phone. Display does look a little different and seems to show levels better. It could be that I haven't really used the other system in a bit but it did sound different. I have some go to songs I use when setting EQ and it took me awhile to dial them in. Overall I thought it sounded better, again this could just be since I haven't heard the other one in a while. I did notice though when I went to turn it off (probably listened to music for about 1 1/2 hrs) that the control module was pretty hot to touch on the back. I thought that was unusual so I hooked the other sub back up and just let music play for about an hour and it was getting hot to so I guess that's just how it goes.
 
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I've always liked Turbosound for sound reinforcement gear. Unfortunately, any company that is producing products on a large scale is going to have a percentage of quality control issues due to outsourcing, which keeps costs low. This the world we live in today. Turbosound - and many other well-known reputable companies - have had to either play ball or go under as a result. It's a bitter pill to swallow, I'm sure, but the alternative is to be faced with the prospect of paying 2-3x the cost for the same product, fabricated in 1st world countries, higher QC for labor, materials and electronics. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You either go full-on small outfit boutique and pay the price, or roll the dice with mass produced products that are less expensive (and fine when they work) but with inherent slack of QC.

I agree, and I can say this about the company, they've been as helpful as they could be. Given what they have to do to keep costs low at least they're not skipping out on customer service like so many companies (big or small) do.
 
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I'd been considering getting one or a pair of the ip2000 setups to use pretty much for everything I do. The main impetus, though, was for those small duo or trio gigs in pubs and restaurants where using a pair of traditional front-line pole mount speakers on tripods can be very awkward and space consuming. The idea was to us the ip2000 (one for small rooms) set behind us so that the mains and monitoring were all handled via this speakers (not terribly loud gigs, for sure). This has the net benefit also of maximizing stage room, and the coverage pattern of the line array is wide and consistent (as previously mentioned).

This type of line array is perfect in a trio situation, placed behind the drummer set up centered in a corner stage, as one of the pictures shows.

The only thing to be concerned with is the connection between the Turbosound sub cabinet and the line array cabinet. It might not fare to well if a drunkard goes careening into it full force. This is also a good argument for pulling the front line PA back toward the stage.

Turbosound has historically made very good stuff and is a very well-known UK/Euro barnd. I owned four of their TMS-4 cabinets back in the 1980s, and they were pioneers of the all-in-one full-range PA cabinet, relatively small (for that period of time), loud, and efficient. This was fairly radical for nightlub use at the time, where large 3-way/4-way systems were the norm. Their tour-grade sound reinforcement stuff is on par with the most elite in the world. They jumped into the pro-sumer market a number of years ago, and given that it's an already crowded market, Turbosound probably had difficulty making a name in the US vs. JBL, EV, Yamaha, Mackie, et al.

Hello, new to this forum... I recently purchased a pair of ip2000 v2, and have only used them in a live gig once, we are a 3 piece Classic Rock band... which consist of: 3 vocals, mic guitar, direct bass, and mic kick drum. The gig went well, with plenty of headroom, no feedback, no rattling or crackling (as described within this posting) The only negative so far is the lose fitting columns, would like to see some way to lock them in place. So I designed an add-on piece that keeps them snugly in place.. (see pictures) 20190227_155742.jpg
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