Right, which is why I prefaced my opinion with this:
This is me right now ;-)
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Turbosound IP2000 Review
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Right, which is why I prefaced my opinion with this:
This is me right now ;-)
The Bose do have a different way of mounting their speakers. As I recall they are angled left and right alternately. This probably creates the spatial aspect you are talking about.
I accidentally ordered the IP1000 the first time. That was not that impressive to me. We used it for rehearsal then I sent it back. I then got the pair of IP2000's.
I have only personally heard the small Bose unit that a friend of mine uses for his solo and duo gigs. I have played with him through it and it sounded very nice. I always used my bass amp but the unit did handle his drum machine well. Small gigs of course maybe 40 seat rooms.
A good friend of mine recently bought the bigger Bose with the tone thingy and 1 sub I think. He has a 5 piece band. He says they usually put it behind the band and put everything through it except I think the bass. They still use stage amps. I haven't heard it but he says it is very nice and he likes it much more than his old speakers etc.
I will confess the IPs could be described as a little thin when soloed alone but when the band kicks in I don't notice it. I do really thing that Line Array design is the next digital mixer of the future. Their throw is much more even and even though it's volume can cover a large area you can stand near it and not really be blown away by them.
I suppose if I had twice the money to spend I'd have looked at the Bose. Who knows.
I accidentally ordered the IP1000 the first time. That was not that impressive to me. We used it for rehearsal then I sent it back. I then got the pair of IP2000's.
I have only personally heard the small Bose unit that a friend of mine uses for his solo and duo gigs. I have played with him through it and it sounded very nice. I always used my bass amp but the unit did handle his drum machine well. Small gigs of course maybe 40 seat rooms.
A good friend of mine recently bought the bigger Bose with the tone thingy and 1 sub I think. He has a 5 piece band. He says they usually put it behind the band and put everything through it except I think the bass. They still use stage amps. I haven't heard it but he says it is very nice and he likes it much more than his old speakers etc.
I will confess the IPs could be described as a little thin when soloed alone but when the band kicks in I don't notice it. I do really thing that Line Array design is the next digital mixer of the future. Their throw is much more even and even though it's volume can cover a large area you can stand near it and not really be blown away by them.
I suppose if I had twice the money to spend I'd have looked at the Bose. Who knows.
Not sure where to ask this, so will start here. I just got my 2nd IP2000. I followed the instructions on the link below to setup them up master/slave. Great, but when I turn them off, neither one comes back up as either. I have to pair one again, then go thru the master/slave setup. Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong?
That is a good ? I have been meaning to do that but never got around to it. The one I call master always syncs with my iPhone via bluetooth.
Can anybody else shed any light?
Can anybody else shed any light?
here's the owner's manual, explaining it pretty clearly (IMO) on pgs 12 & 13:
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Read the manual, and no problem setting it up, my question is once done, and then power off, you have to go thru all the steps again. The manual or the video do not cover how to (if possible) maintain the stereo settings (master/slave) when powered back on.
I went through this a bit ago and I thought the Master came back up and then you had to re-sync the Slave through the settings, then it works. Not 100% however.
The Bose antifeedback setup is pretty sophisticated but... it can run out of filters and when that happens the feedback is awesome! And the indicator that you need to turn dowrn... personally I can’t stand those things in anything other that the singer songwriter context but to each his own...
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I guess you could conclude that the speakers do not remember these settings. If you are a member over at the MUSIC GROUP forum, perhaps you could run this past them. My guess, though, is that you're out of luck.
Sorry I forgot the sarcasm emoticon... Boe=Bose... The Bose like most antifeedback systems has a fixed number of eq notches to apply to your eq when killing feedback. When it reaches the max number, it reassigns the least used filter(eq notch) to your signal. Problem is that if you are running too hot, the filter released is probably going to ring... so you can get this sweet little jig of circular feedbacks going as the system chases its limits, chases its limits, chases its limits... time to turn down or reorient mics or whatever is ringing.
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I didn't know it had that feature. I have never been a big fan of the technology from anyone.
I didn't realize that was how bose made the 'play in front of it' thing work and wondered how small speakers in a column aimed at a mic were somehow magically resistant to feedback.
Well I can say that overall the Turbo's are pretty good at that as well. I had one at the last gig I played that I set off to the rear of stage right. I did reduce the volume. I put it there to catch some tables that the front unit couldn't get to. TM<y lead guitar players was in front if it. He didn't have a vocal mike but did have his amp miked. He said it made a good monitor for him.
Though this tech - naturally - has its limits it works surprisingly well. I have played a lot of smaller club gigs with the Bose systems serving both FOH and monitor, and having speakers behind the mics are kind of scary. But at reasonable volumes it sounds pretty good and we have never had feedback problems.
Gig went very well with the IP1000. Fed two vocals, two mic'd guitar amps, a direct-fed acoustic for a few songs, mic'd hi-hat and mic'd kick. I didn't need much punch from the bass drum in the room, just wanted to have some of its sound carried into the crowd. We were set up in a corner and had the speaker to our right so it was centered along the wall facing the crowd. I had two floor monitors for the band, but I could still hear a decent bit coming at me from the array. My Rumble 500 carried the room for the bass. Got plenty of compliments from people who had seen us many times before that the sound was very good out in the room. Initially, I had some feedback problems, mostly I believe because my microphone was too close just to the left of the column; I pulled it back a half foot and pushed the column forward about the same to be off-plane from each other and there was no other trouble. We play a lot of this style gig, and I don't feel I need to go with an IP2000 or larger for these. I could probably add-a-sub (I have a DXS12) if I felt I needed to put bass through the array, but at that point I'd most likely just be hauling out the "standard" PA setup anyway.
Quick pic of how compact it really is, don't mind the dimwit trying to sing and play. Also a shot out to the crowd from the drum-view to give an idea of the size of the joint itself.
Well another great night with my IP2000 systems and 4 EV subs. It was a multi level auditorium that seated 425 and I would say it was 80% full. I mixed 2 Do whap bands. The first was the Lee Lewis All starts. Guitar, keys with bass, drums, sax and 5 singers. Then cam The Bel Airs. 5 singers and prerecorded music. Management was concerned over the volume and I worked it out so they were happy. I had the system less than half and it was clear as a bell and filled the room all around and up and down. Love these tops. The second band that shared me took my card as did their promoter and the organizer of the event. Get these NOW 
Here is a pic before the audience arrived. Huge stage as you can see.
