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Turbosound IP2000 Review

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My third gig coming up this weekend. Odd room so I plan on one out front with an extra sub on stage left. Sub to be aux fed. Second behind the band on far stage right. No extra sub. This will help bleed a bit onstage and cover an area in the venue that is a bit tucked behind the front speaker line.

4 piece band. I will use kick and overhead on drums. Two vocals, 2 guitars and bass. Bass and 1 guitar direct and the other miked. Both singers and drummer use IEM. Will report on Sunday.
 
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Gig went well. I did bring one extra sub as mentioned and I had a very strong and usable bass sound in the fronts. Having one speaker behind us to the stage right didn't help or hurt us. i ran it maybe 10 volume points below the main array on stage left. Room was small, maybe 50 people with a large bar right off it. I felt the volume was a bit much once in awhile but as I watched the audience they never seemed to have trouble talking to one another. No cries to turn down, so they are keepers.

Next up an doing sound 11 piece horn band with 6 singers and 5 different monitor mixes in two weeks.
 
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I had a guest drummer and lead singer that night. The singers wife took a two minute video off hr phone. I have it posted on my band site. If you would like to hear and see it I will post the link below. I think all things considered it cut through a loud snare quite well. The only amp onstage was the small lead guitar amp to the left.

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Ulf_Hansson said:
Anyone know of a good comparison of the different small "sound-stick" systems? Like these Torbosounds, the Bose L1 / L1II F1 and so on?
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This one is decent but some of the pricing info is wrong.

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It notes the bose tower "splays" the small speakers in different directions. The others are all pointed straight ahead. They give the dispersion nod to the bose. I wonder if that's the reason and also if it makes the bose more feedback resistant when playing in front of it.

Gig tonight with one of my pop bands. Drums/bass/guitar/keys/singer, 4 vocal mics. It's a small wine bar we've played often, probably seats 50-80, and I thought it might be a chance to try out the ip. But when I asked he said he had wifi problems at last gig with his Irish group so we're doing the k10 thing. Darn it.
 
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Anyway - mixed an 11 piece horn band last night. 5 Brass, 2 lead singes, male and female. Keys (2 channels), guitar, bass and of course drums. Drummer insisted on 5 mikes. Big fundraiser and at peak maybe 200+ people. Besides my 2 x IP2000's I had 3 x EV ZX 12" subs. Overall I was very happy with the system. I used a Mackie DL32r for a mixer. Biggest mix I ever did and I have never done horns. Man are loud out front. A good many of the band commented on how good the "sticks" sounded. I was a sub for their regular guy and the band leader came up to me at the end of the night and said he had never heard them sound so good. Phew I was nervous. I also found the dispersion to either side to be close to 90' each. I was able to actually mix from the far sides at times. I had a little feedback due to the fact that the singers mikes were in a line with the speakers. There wasn't enough stage room to get them back behind the speaker line, but it only happened maybe 3 times.

I am sold. Oh I ran the subs via an AUX out so I had plenty of low end.
 
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musicman7722 said:
I had a little feedback due to the fact that the singers mikes were in a line with the speakers. There wasn't enough stage room to get them back behind the speaker line, but it only happened maybe 3 times.
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That's three times too many in my opinion, but I understand things happen, especially the first time around with a new band, venue, etc. I'm unfamiliar with that mixer and it's capabilities/onboard features, but it sounds like you could have used a little gating on the vox channels. Maybe I'm just old-school, but having mains (of any design or alchemy) behind a mic scares the bejeezus out of me. That said, if they were happy, then props to you on a job well done!
 
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musicman7722 said:
WiFi?
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With his behringer mixer. I took 2 k10s, 2 zxa1 subs and he brought two wedges. The dl1608 has scenes saved for this band in this room so it was an easy set up, no problems and good sound. The ip may be better but I already own this and it's lighter so I'm sticking with it. If I get ever get to use the ip again and it blows me away that may change.
 
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musicman7722 said:
I didn't say the speakers were behind the mike line I said there were online with the speakers. So with the nearly 90' dispersion I thing that was what it was. Sorry I messed up and had feedback.
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If your comment was directed at me, no apologies needed. It sounds like everyone was happy and that's all that matters. I was just thinking in my FOG mind that with all the bells and whistles, feedback shouldn't have been an issue with such a new-fangled rig. Honestly though, the last time I got feedback through my PA (and I was running sound from behind my keyboards) was about two years ago when an "unexpected guest" decided to sing over the top of an SM58 instead of into it and then point the mic straight into the monitor when the verse was over. That channel was set on the board for our relatively soft-spoken guitarist's vocals, so it was a little hot. The mute switch on that channel was activated ASAP!
 
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I have 2 Turbosound IP1000s and 1 Bose L1 Model2 with 2 B1 subs. I have been impressed with the Turbos for my solo/duo acoustic stuff, but I feel the Bose has a more 3D sound to it, if that makes sense. The Turbos sound thin compared to the Bose, to my ears anyway. I am looking to unload the Turbos if anyone is in the NY area. going to List them later today.
 
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NickFromNY said:
I have 2 Turbosound IP1000s and 1 Bose L1 Model2 with 2 B1 subs. I have been impressed with the Turbos for my solo/duo acoustic stuff, but I feel the Bose has a more 3D sound to it, if that makes sense. The Turbos sound thin compared to the Bose, to my ears anyway. I am looking to unload the Turbos if anyone is in the NY area. going to List them later today.
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I don't know why this would surprise you. Not that money matters for everything, but look at the two systems you're comparing. the Bose SHOULD blow the other rig away. A closer apples-to-apples comparison, dollar-for-dollar, would be a pair of IP3000 speaker systems vs. the Bose system. You might find those Turbosounds to fare a little better in the "thin" and "3d" department.

FWIW. JMO.
 
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jimfist said:
I don't know why this would surprise you. Not that money matters for everything, but look at the two systems you're comparing. the Bose SHOULD blow the other rig away. A closer apples-to-apples comparison, dollar-for-dollar, would be a pair of IP3000 speaker systems vs. the Bose system. You might find those Turbosounds to fair a little better in the "thin" and "3d" department.

FWIW. JMO.
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Dollar for dollar, yes, but not apples to apples. The two B1 subs combined have less speaker area than a single 12. The ip3000 has 2 12's and should blow away the bose on the low end but it has the same column as the 2000 so I doubt it would get more "3D", whatever that means. People like to knock bose but I suspect more engineering went into the L1 than the IP. Whether it's worth all the extra $$$...??? Regardless, I wouldn't want to haul a pair of 3000's to a gig.
 
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nutdog said:
Dollar for dollar, yes, but not apples to apples. The two B1 subs combined have less speaker area than a single 12. The ip3000 has 2 12's and should blow away the bose on the low end but it has the same column as the 2000 so I doubt it would get more "3D", whatever that means. People like to knock bose but I suspect more engineering went into the L1 than the IP. Whether it's worth all the extra $$$...??? Regardless, I wouldn't want to haul a pair of 3000's to a gig.
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Well, you can call it a knock on Bose if you want, then. That wasn't my intent.

It depends on what you want out of a speaker system. Obviously, plenty of people shell out the $$$ that Bose is asking for their products, so they're doing something right. The only point I was trying (evidently poorly, in your mind) to make is that the comparison being made doesn't seem very fair on first blush, between the Bose system and the IP1000.

Now, speaking personally, I will say that there are enough people out there who are looking for a speaker system that delivers generally very flat response across the spectrum, and that is accurate (what you put in is what you get out). With this as a requirement, Bose systems are....ummm...substantially less desirable.

But no matter. Use what you like. Like what you use. No matter.

And just a to point out, the IP3000 and IP2000 do not use the same line array column...unless the specs published on Sweetwater's site are incorrect. ;-)
 
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jimfist said:
Well, you can call it a knock on Bose if you want, then. That wasn't my intent.

It depends on what you want out of a speaker system. Obviously, plenty of people shell out the $$$ that Bose is asking for their products, so they're doing something right. The only point I was trying (evidently poorly, in your mind) to make is that the comparison being made doesn't seem very fair on first blush, between the Bose system and the IP1000.

Now, speaking personally, I will say that there are enough people out there who are looking for a speaker system that delivers generally very flat response across the spectrum, and that is accurate (what you put in is what you get out). With this as a requirement, Bose systems are....ummm...substantially less desirable.

But no matter. Use what you like. Like what you use. No matter.

And just a to point out, the IP3000 and IP2000 do not use the same line array column...unless the specs published on Sweetwater's site are incorrect. ;-)
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Relax, man, I didn't say you were knocking on bose, just that ip's are working with more bass speaker than the bose so if 1 bose can out-low 1 ip2000 they might be doing something right and it may or may not be worth the extra expense. Bose is the brand people love to hate.

I only have one experience with a bose column system. 2 L1 model 2's with 4 bass bins backlined for an outdoor festival. We did an acoustic guitar duo with them directly behind us. I don't know if it was flat and accurate but it sounded pretty damn awesome, both to play thru and hear the other acts. The sound provider said he used 5 for his rock band. Geez...

Yes, there are different speakers in the columns but it's the same in that they all face directly forward vs. the bose where they point in different directions. This may or may not mean anything. The bose also has 24 speakers speakers in the array vs 16 in the others. They look similar and the dollars are way different but so are the designs.

I won't be playing either but I like to discuss gear and think it's important for people researching it to understand the differences go beyond price.
 

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