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Turbosound IP2000 Review
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For your situation several around the room mounted high, with sub(s) on the floor might work. Unfortunately they don’t have fly points.
In a reverberant room bass can be challenging but experimenting with sub placement and highpassing can yield good results. Even basic digital mixers have filters and delays to set this up.
Yeah we had problems with the sub before. Our ip15b. But we placed it high. Ontop of that wood platform on the picture. And that works out great for us. I know normally a sub has to be low. But we didn't had the space for it somewhere. And ontop its sound very good for us.
Hmm it isn't that bad i thought. The e835 +e110 sub are 50 euro's more than the ip2000.I like the design philosophy and scalability of the HK line, but the price.
But doesn't the ip2000 offer a more "advanced" sound with their spacial sound technology? Idk haha.
Each line has different strengths and weaknesses. My impression is the HK line is more capable as traditional main PA speakers (louder and more articulate), while the IP2000 is more capable as a stand alone PA (more built in sound processing/better internal mixing features). For my needs, all of these designs are pretty limited in terms of max SPL...(I believe) HK is the SPL king.
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I have two live gigs outside this week. One is a 4 piece Stone Temple Pilots tribute band, the other a Beach Boys tribute band. I will take my EV subs along. We shall see
MF gave me a coupon and 36 months 0% so I’ve got a 500, 1000 and 2000 ordered. 
Well as I wrote a week or so ago I have had a boat load of gigs with this system. Here is my first outside gig. It was a big area and I chose to spread my subs put across the front. Clustering them seemed to leave to much of a gap. I did have a scratching type issue with the system but it seemed to be the singers mike channel. He was using a Shure bullet mike. The gain structure was fine. I even swapped tops but that didn't get rid of the issue. I never had it come up again.
The band was a Stone Temple Pilots tribute band and were very good. They did an unplugged gig with full drums. Hmm not sure that worked. Also I don't think a large % of the audience even knew the band.
The band was a Stone Temple Pilots tribute band and were very good. They did an unplugged gig with full drums. Hmm not sure that worked. Also I don't think a large % of the audience even knew the band.
Here is a twist. I am on the local bandstand committee and provide sound for all the acts. This one was a rain out gig so we held it in the local fire station. Think school gym with lots of yellow hats and uniforms on the walls. Acoustics were terrible and the air was so humid my glasses would not wipe clean. Foggy vision. Some of you older cats might recognize Mr. TJ wheeler in the hat and suit. This was his night and he is our local celebrity here in town. For this gig I just used the stacks with now additional subs. The bass player rotated from fretless electric upright to 5 string jazz. His stage volume was very controlled and never fought me. I felt I had a nice drum and bass sound coming out of the system.
Maybe the attached can give you some ideas on how to vary your sub setup to better meet your changing coverage requirements.
Try to keep the spacing between all subs within 1/4 wavelength at the highest frequency in their pass band. There may be some messiness because you are using two different sub types...EV and Turbo Sound.
For broader audience coverage try forming a convex arc with the EVs jutting out in front. For narrower coverage and longer throw in front of the band, try a concave arc.
The arc shaped sub array forms wider dispersion pattern on the convex side and a narrower dispersion pattern on the convex side...consider how this impacts both the audience and the band.
If the band is getting pummeled with too much bass, since you have more than three EV subs, you might consider using polarity and a bit of delay to create cardioid arrays in the center. The basic idea is explained in the bass array paper as a delta array.
Last Gig to show for a bit.
This was one of my 4 piece bands I play in. this was a very small restaurant outside of Boston. So small I used one stack and a single sub. Why the sub you ask well I will tell you. They keys and I (on bass) go direct. The whole band uses IEM.
Couldn't resist showing my mixer
This was one of my 4 piece bands I play in. this was a very small restaurant outside of Boston. So small I used one stack and a single sub. Why the sub you ask well I will tell you. They keys and I (on bass) go direct. The whole band uses IEM.
Couldn't resist showing my mixer
Ha not nevessarily. I have wondered how the 500's would be as a monitor behind the band.
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TLDR; I'm sticking with the k's.
Shipment came Saturday. The 1000 form factor alone is a no-go. The single handle slot on top means all the weight is carried by fingertips. I can't find the weight breakdown between base and column but the whole think is 55lbs and most is in the base. The column is over 4 feet long with 4 spikes coming out one end. The carry bag for the column should be included even if they need to raise the price $40, which is what it sells for.
I set up the 1000 in my living room with acoustic guitar and mic plugged directly in. Didn't seem like much volume available. Played around with the gains, volume, mode, etc. Not very impressed.
Sunday I set both units up outside next to the k10/zxa1sub combo. I ran an aux feed to each unit, set faders and eq's same on each channel. Started canned music on the ipad channel and ran the level up until it was averaging around unity on the main, then set the main fader at unity. This was sending the exact same signal to each of the 3 units. I set volumes on ip's at unity and gains on k10 and sub at unity (where they usually run).
Unmuted the 1000 channel. Sounded good. Switched to 2000. Sounded about the same but more. Switched to k/ev. Way, way more volume. Had to back down the master. It sounded a little harsh until I discovered the 'vocal boost' switch, which I never use, was engaged. With that off it sounded nice. Started running up the main fader, got it to unity, and it was pumping clean and loud.
Here were the settings on the ip's:
We tried all modes and liked club the best. If I tried to raise the input gains or volume level it introduced an unacceptable level of noise. Turning up the k10 and sub gains to max didn't introduce noise, but I never do that anyway. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I don't want to blow them up trying to match the k volume. At these settings they aren't even close. The ip's sound nice when run together.
Even though the 2000 base is heavier it is much easier to transport with two nice side handles and a 2 piece column. Again, I recommend getting the bag for the column. If I were keeping one it would be the 2000. The only advantage with the 1000 is smaller footprint.
For kicks we disconnected the sub and ran the k10 on it's own in normal and deep modes. IMO, and the opinion of my musician buddy and non musician wife, the k10 was sounded better and got louder than either ip. The only advantage to the ip's was side dispersion. At either side the sound was basically the same. The k10 mid's and highs rolled off but it was pretty far off axis before it was noticeable.
My buddy brought his fishman artist and we plugged it in to the mixer. It has one 8 inch speaker. It couldn't compete with the fullness and low end of any of the other units but it sounded decent for what it is. We ran an out to the sub and it made a decent little package.
I've got a duo pub gig this weekend, which is what started my hankering for the 500. I'd rather just take a single k10 than deal with the ip.
Shipment came Saturday. The 1000 form factor alone is a no-go. The single handle slot on top means all the weight is carried by fingertips. I can't find the weight breakdown between base and column but the whole think is 55lbs and most is in the base. The column is over 4 feet long with 4 spikes coming out one end. The carry bag for the column should be included even if they need to raise the price $40, which is what it sells for.
I set up the 1000 in my living room with acoustic guitar and mic plugged directly in. Didn't seem like much volume available. Played around with the gains, volume, mode, etc. Not very impressed.
Sunday I set both units up outside next to the k10/zxa1sub combo. I ran an aux feed to each unit, set faders and eq's same on each channel. Started canned music on the ipad channel and ran the level up until it was averaging around unity on the main, then set the main fader at unity. This was sending the exact same signal to each of the 3 units. I set volumes on ip's at unity and gains on k10 and sub at unity (where they usually run).
Unmuted the 1000 channel. Sounded good. Switched to 2000. Sounded about the same but more. Switched to k/ev. Way, way more volume. Had to back down the master. It sounded a little harsh until I discovered the 'vocal boost' switch, which I never use, was engaged. With that off it sounded nice. Started running up the main fader, got it to unity, and it was pumping clean and loud.
Here were the settings on the ip's:
We tried all modes and liked club the best. If I tried to raise the input gains or volume level it introduced an unacceptable level of noise. Turning up the k10 and sub gains to max didn't introduce noise, but I never do that anyway. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but I don't want to blow them up trying to match the k volume. At these settings they aren't even close. The ip's sound nice when run together.
Even though the 2000 base is heavier it is much easier to transport with two nice side handles and a 2 piece column. Again, I recommend getting the bag for the column. If I were keeping one it would be the 2000. The only advantage with the 1000 is smaller footprint.
For kicks we disconnected the sub and ran the k10 on it's own in normal and deep modes. IMO, and the opinion of my musician buddy and non musician wife, the k10 was sounded better and got louder than either ip. The only advantage to the ip's was side dispersion. At either side the sound was basically the same. The k10 mid's and highs rolled off but it was pretty far off axis before it was noticeable.
My buddy brought his fishman artist and we plugged it in to the mixer. It has one 8 inch speaker. It couldn't compete with the fullness and low end of any of the other units but it sounded decent for what it is. We ran an out to the sub and it made a decent little package.
I've got a duo pub gig this weekend, which is what started my hankering for the 500. I'd rather just take a single k10 than deal with the ip.
There are situations where the IP2000 provides advantages, but specs support your observation that the K10 is louder.
Good comparison review
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Great review, very thorough! It has been my experience that column arrays do have better off axis dispersion and have more uniform volume between up close and far away sound than traditional pa systems. But, Ive never used the turbosound ip2000 and believe your findings.
My carvin trc system just works so much better than my other gear. Wish I could buy a few more of the 210 subs.
My carvin trc system just works so much better than my other gear. Wish I could buy a few more of the 210 subs.
