What I'd like to know is this: Do wizzy drivers have better (wider and more even) dispersion in the high-freqs than a similar non-wiz', or is it just more highs on-axis?tombowlus said:
Thanks,
Joe
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Tweeter vs No Tweeter
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Thanks,
Joe
When I recently had one of my cabs serviced I learned that the tweeter was out. I had no idea. When I played again I noticed that I could hear things like the actual pluck of the string.
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Joe P said:
Well, I would think that the wizzer cone would allow for improved dispersion of the higher frequencies, but that the notes produced by the primary woofer cone would not be dispersed any differently than a woofer without a wizzer cone. But then again, I'm a lawyer, not an engineer, so take my words for what they are worth (and you know how much free legal advice is worth - every penny you pay for it!
). For the real scoop, e-mail John Dong.To my ears, though, the high frequency dispersion from my Wizzy cabs seems very broad.
Tom.
Well, I just been taking all this in and a full-range cab with a mid and a tweeter/horn sounds like a no lose situation. You got all the tone and clarity and with an l-pad you can always adjust your highs.
The hype was already enough to make me curious about these cabs, but the above definitely has me sold on the idea. Very cool, Mark.Whappo Grande said:
I tell ya, I just took back all my lower level GK backline stuff
(410blx-2 & 115blx2 & backline 600 head) for a simple exchange.
I brought home the 700RB-2 head and the 115sbx-2 cab, I will never regret this change. It has transformed my sound completely.
The 115 with tweeter is perfect for me right now, I don't miss the cheap 410 cab at all. I would get a cab with a tweeter if you can, they work wonders IMO. Plus later if need be I have plenty of power to add a higher end 410 cab.
Note: For those of you that aren't sure what you want? take advantage of Guitar Center 30 day return policy. It's a great way to find the sound you want for a month and dump it back for something else better or different
(410blx-2 & 115blx2 & backline 600 head) for a simple exchange.
I brought home the 700RB-2 head and the 115sbx-2 cab, I will never regret this change. It has transformed my sound completely.
The 115 with tweeter is perfect for me right now, I don't miss the cheap 410 cab at all. I would get a cab with a tweeter if you can, they work wonders IMO. Plus later if need be I have plenty of power to add a higher end 410 cab.
Note: For those of you that aren't sure what you want? take advantage of Guitar Center 30 day return policy. It's a great way to find the sound you want for a month and dump it back for something else better or different
I think the comments from Ivan Mike and others is spot on regarding judging each cab on it's own merit. I have found that alot of cabs with more crude "bullet" style horns sound pretty harsh at close range but do the job as far as cutting through, and spread out a bit twards the back of the room, it's definitely a trade-off though. I think the best of both worlds is the coaxial driver. I have A-B'd my BE 4x10 w/ coax against an Eden XLT with a horn and the coaxial driver produces every bit as much shiny "sparkle" as the horn, but sounds alot smoother.
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holy crap that's cool!!!!!!
i am so gonna type alt 0176 all day now.
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wow, is there a list somewhere of what all the alt plus 4 numbers makes????
holy crap that's cool!!!!!!
i am so gonna type alt 0176 all day now.
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wow, is there a list somewhere of what all the alt plus 4 numbers makes????
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IvanMike said:wow, is there a list somewhere of what all the alt plus 4 numbers makes????
That would, in fact, be nice to know.
And please, judge each symbol on its own merit!
[Sarcasm alert! This is a concept that I wholeheartedly endorse for bass cabs.]
hehe, is there a "cents" symbol? cause i'd like to add two.
IMHO, slappin' without a tweeter just aint right.
and my fav tweets were Bergie's, but the sound has definitely changed from the glassy rich gloss to something more vintage and regular sounding.
these days, Acme, Epifani, and yes, Accugroove are my favs. smooth, never detached, and yes, sweet. the Acme tweeters are especially amazing, cause the hiss barely detectable.
and dont ever mention "SWR" and "tweeter" in the same sentence. :scowl:
IMHO, slappin' without a tweeter just aint right.
and my fav tweets were Bergie's, but the sound has definitely changed from the glassy rich gloss to something more vintage and regular sounding.
these days, Acme, Epifani, and yes, Accugroove are my favs. smooth, never detached, and yes, sweet. the Acme tweeters are especially amazing, cause the hiss barely detectable.
and dont ever mention "SWR" and "tweeter" in the same sentence. :scowl:
tweeters/horns are so variable in bass cabs it's not funny. There are some very popular cabs that I've refused to play through on a gig, just going straight into the PA and only have bass through the monitor before now, just because the horn was horrible and non-attenuatable. I'm amazed at the nasty sounds some players put up with.
I've heard a few cabs with cheap tweeters in that have been rescued by a better than average crossover at a sensible frequency, but it's still come across as an exercise in polishing a turd. I was very anti-tweeters for many years, but now that I'm using the Accugroove stuff, I recently emailed Mark Wright saying that the attenuators on his cabs are pretty much redundant - there's no need to turn the tweeter off, when the sound is this transparent. It's not adding any high end at all, just amplifying what is actually there. I thought when I got my 110s that I'd end up turning the horns down a bit, but not at all.
The crossover frequency is vital to get right as well, or you can get dropouts at certain points in the frequency spectrum (big problem for people who biamp with unmatched cabs) - again, the Accumonkeys have got this right first time.
So, find out what the components are, use your ears, do comparisons, and don't believe the hype, just believe the sound.
Steve
www.stevelawson.net
I've heard a few cabs with cheap tweeters in that have been rescued by a better than average crossover at a sensible frequency, but it's still come across as an exercise in polishing a turd. I was very anti-tweeters for many years, but now that I'm using the Accugroove stuff, I recently emailed Mark Wright saying that the attenuators on his cabs are pretty much redundant - there's no need to turn the tweeter off, when the sound is this transparent. It's not adding any high end at all, just amplifying what is actually there. I thought when I got my 110s that I'd end up turning the horns down a bit, but not at all.
The crossover frequency is vital to get right as well, or you can get dropouts at certain points in the frequency spectrum (big problem for people who biamp with unmatched cabs) - again, the Accumonkeys have got this right first time.
So, find out what the components are, use your ears, do comparisons, and don't believe the hype, just believe the sound.
Steve
www.stevelawson.net
I have two SWR Goliaths with twee... Ooops, that was closejokerjkny said:
Seriously, I think my cabs sound pretty good with the tweeters just adding a little air (set a 9 o'clock). What would some of the other cabs mentioned here give me that my SWRs doesn't? (It's a matter of taste of course, but what do you guys think?)
Hej Carl-Anton!
I owned a lot of cabs Ampeg, SWR, Bergantino, Epifani, Accugroove etc. Modern cabs like Bergantino, Epifani and Accugroove are in a different league that SWR IMHO...for example the tweeters, they sound much more musical and smooth than the SWR I have owned. Also the overall crucial mids seems to be much more focused and detailed than SWR...I you really dig the mid-scooped sound of the SWR, well they are probably the right cabs for you, but I really think there are cabs far superior avalilable today.
Håber det giver lidt mening.
I owned a lot of cabs Ampeg, SWR, Bergantino, Epifani, Accugroove etc. Modern cabs like Bergantino, Epifani and Accugroove are in a different league that SWR IMHO...for example the tweeters, they sound much more musical and smooth than the SWR I have owned. Also the overall crucial mids seems to be much more focused and detailed than SWR...I you really dig the mid-scooped sound of the SWR, well they are probably the right cabs for you, but I really think there are cabs far superior avalilable today.
Håber det giver lidt mening.
Tak Jacove, det giver fint meningjacove said:Hej Carl-Anton!
I owned a lot of cabs Ampeg, SWR, Bergantino, Epifani, Accugroove etc. Modern cabs like Bergantino, Epifani and Accugroove are in a different league that SWR IMHO...for example the tweeters, they sound much more musical and smooth than the SWR I have owned. Also the overall crucial mids seems to be much more focused and detailed than SWR...I you really dig the mid-scooped sound of the SWR, well they are probably the right cabs for you, but I really think there are cabs far superior avalilable today.
Håber det giver lidt mening.
I just trying to get a picture of what might be interesting for me. I was almost running out of GAS
Know any dealers here in DK that has some of the cabs you mention?
OK!
No, the cabs are only available from US as far as I know.
Hvis du ved lidt om hvilken lyd du gerne vil have/savner, kan du bare sende en PM, så kan det være jeg kan hjælpe.
No, the cabs are only available from US as far as I know.
Hvis du ved lidt om hvilken lyd du gerne vil have/savner, kan du bare sende en PM, så kan det være jeg kan hjælpe.
Whenever I hear that slappin' smackin' and poppin' coming out of a bass I have to wonder. Did the guy start out as a guitar player? Let me guess. He wasn't good enough on guitar, so he switched to bass so he could still be in the band. But he really wished he was a lead guitar player. So he adjusts his rig for a trebly, twangy, banjo tone. Am I impressed with all the slappin' and poppin'? Not a bit. Can the guy play a walking bass line to something with a chord progression? Can the guy build some interesting melodic phrases using musical notes? Nope. So out comes the smackin' and poppin' and for that you need tweeters.
Joe Beets said:Whenever I hear that slappin' smackin' and poppin' coming out of a bass I have to wonder. Did the guy start out as a guitar player? Let me guess. He wasn't good enough on guitar, so he switched to bass so he could still be in the band. But he really wished he was a lead guitar player. So he adjusts his rig for a trebly, twangy, banjo tone. Am I impressed with all the slappin' and poppin'? Not a bit. Can the guy play a walking bass line to something with a chord progression? Can the guy build some interesting melodic phrases using musical notes? Nope. So out comes the smackin' and poppin' and for that you need tweeters.
How about a player that can play most styles (straight ahead, slapping, country grooves, rock) and has spent the time developing multiple styles that are appropriate to the gig because he or she has an open mind and just loves bass and music in general. Most of the time, when I've heard people ranting about slapping, they can't do it themselves and haven't taken the time to listen to the style of music where it's appropriate. You know what, I think that PBass pick sound out of an SVT sounds horrible... but I respect it... it's not my thing, I can't do it, so I try not to judge or comment on it too much. Jeez!
