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Under driving your cab with too much headroom?

#44
Gluvhand said:
Wow. This place is full of some really lousy people. You should all be proud of yourselves.
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I hate all the hate posts Behringer gets... EXCEPT when they're right.
Leaving aside the 'morals' of the way they blatantly copy other people's designs, a good number of the products they make they work fine and they represent a good way for someone with limited means to get out there and make music.

However... their BA-series of speakers is as bad as the comments here suggest.
 
#46
That "B" company fills a niche that if not them, someone else would. If it weren't for their ridiculously unrealistic power ratings and "riding the line" on design infringements they would probably have a good reputation. If you follow the "divide advertised ratings by 4" rule, their stuff is decent budget gear. I have and use a couple of their small mixers.
 
#47
Bass_Pounder said:
Not true at all

If it were, think of how often rock guitarists would be replacing their speakers.
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Actually, it is true in the guitar world but not so common in the bass world.

When designing guitar speakers, it's common for high quality designs (especially those with long warranty coverage) to derate power handling of a speaker by 50% because a clipped (heavily overdriven) tube amp can deliver as much as 2x it's clean rated power in thermal energy. Combine this with low crest factor and mechanical limits do not come into play.
 
#48
mcnach said:
I hate all the hate posts Behringer gets... EXCEPT when they're right.
Leaving aside the 'morals' of the way they blatantly copy other people's designs, a good number of the products they make they work fine and they represent a good way for someone with limited means to get out there and make music.

However... their BA-series of speakers is as bad as the comments here suggest.
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I agree but that's completely not the point at all. The gang mentality here runs deep and the poor excuse for humor at the expense of some person just looking for advice and guidance is pretty lame.
 
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#49
Gluvhand said:
I agree but that's completely not the point at all. The gang mentality here runs deep and the poor excuse for humor at the expense of some person just looking for advice and guidance is pretty lame.
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It's easier to be in "the gang" and continue dumping on whatever the dreaded item/company might be. I'm sure that there are people who are still pissed that they "stole" designs from Alesis back in the day :D

In the meantime the company has put out several nice items that lots of people use. I gigged with a Veyron Mosfet for over a year. No issues at all. But if I'd been the typical gang member I would've needed to have it bench test to verify the wattage... because simply being overkill for any venue for me couldn't be enough. Actually strike that, I never would've even tried one because something something about an old mixer. Khan!!!
;)

Hell, some people still have a stigma about Peavey based on products from the 70's-80's. Some rants just never die, they go into hyperdrive on the web. Learning how to weed through and/or ignore them is a valuable skill.
:D
 
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#53
BA810 user manual, here you are

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Page #8 Specifications

Power (RMS/Music) 2000 Watt

The manual was published in Sept. 2004 which was a time Behringer Watts were not yet invented.

Yet the power handling of the cab might be rated a little bit otimistic but, its not uncommon to have about 250 Watt RMS per driver with 2.5" VC woofers. 250 Watt x 8 = 2000 Watt.

There is a different US manufacturer out there who actually rates a 410 cab loaded with aluminium cone drivers for 1000 Watt RMS of power handling which is 1/2 of power handling versus 810
Id hate it to see this US manufacturer blamed for beeing dishonest cause of he rates exatly with just the same power handling numbers as Behringer did in the year of 2004

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Can we just start deleting ridiculous posts which lack of any serious sense?
Sorry for the rant
 
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#54
BA810
Sensitivity 100dB @ 1 Watt / 1 meter

100dB of sensitivity seems to be quite lean for a 810 fridge. At the other hand side aluminium cone drivers (almost always) lack some efficience versus paper cone drivers due to a "heavier" moving mass of the aluminium cone. I'd call the 100dB rated sensitivity of the BA 810 quite realistic rather than optimistic.
 
#55
gemini_bass said:
I'm using a solid state 800w/4ohms amp head and a 8x10 2000w/4ohms speaker cabinet. Is this okay for the cab and head? My head also says it runs 450w at 8ohms on the master dial. Is this okay to run on my cab or should I keep the master at 800w at 4ohms (max) and keep the volume down. Thanks in advance.
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You're ok @ 4 ohms but I wouldn't push it to the limit. From the previous posts, there is a consensus that your make of cabinet is known for overstating wattage ratings. I have a couple of Behringer "600 watt" cabinets that I run with an old 280watt GK head. It's fine. I don't think of them as 600 watts, and I wouldn't think of yours as 2000. No matter, you're fine.
 

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